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Don't be a vote connoisseur here please. Redefine how you think about voting and participating.

Do you miss your communities from elsewhere. Well guess what, you are that core community now. If you want it back, the only thing holding you back is you. Don't wait on someone else to start posting. You don't need to worry about the perfect polished quality of your content or if it has been done before elsewhere. The current bar is, umm, poorly defined. No one is judging you. Call it practice. EVERY time you see something interesting, get in the habit of posting it please. Maybe go out of your way to grab a reference or two and post them.

Along these lines, think of how unsure and uncomfortable this may seem to most of us former lurker connoisseurs. You can play hard and thick skinned all you want, but you know exactly what post or comment you posted elsewhere that got the most votes or interaction. Why? Because it matters to you. So upvote everything you can. It matters to someone else too. Don't upvote just for the value or interest you have in the content. Do it just to say "hey, thanks for making the effort to participate and make this place a few lines longer." Please rethink how you handle voting, at least for now, think of a down vote as FU for participating, no votes as I wish you weren't here. We are all likely accustomed to a lot more interaction and validation in our own little niches. This is really an underpinning value of social media, we are here to engage with people, so tell people who are new and unsure about a new and different place, "hey, thanks for participating." You may not know or really appreciate their interests, but you can help us grow a core that can evolve into your favorite niches as the community grows. You are the core community. We can all make it grow if we make it a place people want to be.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm trying to upvote all that can, mostly because I'm not very good at commenting lol

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I think you're fine!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

My people!!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

E-introverts represent, it has been a change really. I found that in Reddit, the sheer number of participants led me to only contribute meaningfully in smaller subreddits. I think I've made more comments today than in the last year on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, we just need a bit more of a push. I think some people may be a bit too fixated on reaching Reddit's numbers; we really don't need to. I don't care if the top comment has 50 upvotes instead of 50,000, what I want is more comments, more posts, more experts in a field sharing their invaluable opinions.

Obviously it will take some time to reach the level of granularity some subreddits have. Like, we have a design sub, a good design sub, an ashole design sub, a crappy design sub (which is like asshole design, but unintentional), a design design sub (for awful designs that are also somehow aesthetic)... And all this without going into specific design subs (web design, brand design, structure design...). Yeah, we may not have all those for a while, we enthusiasts may all have to interact in a general Lemmy Design community, but guess what? That is how Reddit got where it is now.

Personally, I am enjoying the process. I've been lurking Reddit for years, reading awesome posts, and informing myself on all kinds of topics from people I won't ever begin to compare to. But Lemmy, for the moment, feels more intimate to me, I am starting to recognize specific nametags, to interact with real human beings (not a sentient blob of like-minded thoughts). It feels like being at a bonfire enjoying the moment with a couple of people, and I think that by itself has it's own charm.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks for your thoughts. I hope this continues to develop and becomes a stable and positive community. It will never be reddit. The sooner people realize this as a positive, the better.

The first step to being a part of the community is participation. The smallest form of participation is a vote. With a tiny community, posting without social engagement lacks the positive feedback needed to be self sustainable. Getting past the point of critical mass where we are more than sustainable is absolutely critical right now. The best way to influence this, and lower the critical mass threshold is to encourage people to boost/bolster engagement, especially in niche areas of critical importance to those willing to post. Increasing the volume and categories encourages more specialization and adoption.

So the most important aspect right now is simply getting people to upvote, and as many as possible to post

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This moment is beautiful. People are understandably looking forward and hoping that they can recreate all of their niche communities. But I'm just enjoying this moment in time where we have a group of people figuring everything out together and trying to build something better than what we had. Even if Lemmy does get hugely successful, it'll never again feel like it does at this moment, when all of the users care so much about being positive contributors.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I kinda like it. Reddit can feel disconnected, comment and move on kind of thing. I'm curious where this is in say a year. I will miss my smaller intimate communities, but this is one general intimate community so it works.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

This feels like when you find a really good smaller streamer and can actually talk to people in the chat and make good friends with some and become part of a cool community where every voice is heard... before the streamer hits it big and the chat scroll is so fast you can't even see your message among the omega luls and kappas and pogchamps and kkonas and the streamer can't possibly respond to anything because there's just too much garbage

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Try sorting by new and boosting genuine efforts.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have noticed that sorting by new is pretty much required here if you want to see something, eh, new.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Sad but true.

I think the basic functionality is working great, but it needs a critical mass of people. Next few weeks and the June 30 shutdown will make or break.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I tried that but sorting by new is almost unusable. After a few seconds it starts loading new posts at the top and then everything moves, and keeps moving. You can't read something if it doesn't stand still.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

lemmy.world users have subbed too many places! Guess it's a "good" problem and something that can be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks for the encouragement and normalization words. I’m maybe the lurkiest lurker ever, but I absolutely can and do upvote!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Lurkiest lurker… i like that and laughed ! Up arrow for you!!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Would it be ethical to start saving useful reddit post on lemmy ?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think if you credit the original poster, it’s a great idea to grab some of the bestof Reddit posts. There is a lot of really incredible content that could disappear. Combined with Imgur removing a lot of anonymous content from the past decade, sadly it seems like there could be a lot of valuable information that gets lost.

Also, this is my first comment after being on Reddit for 15 years! Where did the time go… I’m glad Reddit didn’t track our hours.

Hi, Lemmy!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Over 80% of them are reposts anyway, so take solace in that. Regardless, why not curate some content in one corner, it'll help us all out in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I saw a bunch of that yesterday, like if you click through to Reddit you're still boosting Reddit πŸ˜‚

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

Keep in mind that this being a much smaller site your voice and opinion does have an impact. Your posts and votes will influence the culture of this site. Put in the effort to shape it into how you'd like it to be.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's difficult is finding this website in the first place, most people don't understand terms like instances and all the server details, it would have been fine to just share this main link and tell people to recreate communities

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

There is a bit of a learning curve, but it is not terrible. Based on the growth numbers so far over the last few days a small competence filter may be a good thing IMO. Maybe it will be too much for the most negative potential users to overcome.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I know I should read about all this more, but I'm just gonna jump right in and figure out how to comment and post on my own. I still have no idea what an instance is, but atleast I've found communities and I even posted a few comments so I seem to be doing just fine lol

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I’m really glad I found this place. I’ll do my best to spread it and be active

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Well said! Im gonna try doing my part to make this place better one comment and upvote at a time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

This is great advice, thanks

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can we troll and be a dick here too?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The rules for Ruud's Mastodon server apply here until a formal page is written.

https://mastodon.world/about

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I’ve always been a lurker on that other website, but I’m here to participate. So happy to be apart of the new Lemmy journey!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

I belonged, until recently, in a really lovely private community over on that other place, and ... I'm loving what I'm seeing so far. It's a nice take, and feels a lot more like what I wanted out of those other places.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the guides

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you want me to make this "my new Reddit", then I'm going to treat it like Reddit.

That means down voting the majority of the posts I see.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I think putting effort into actively participating is also the best way to truly quit reddit.

I mean, now everyone is angry because of what's happening and we're flooding alternatives with enthusiasm because of this particular moment, but will it last?

When you're so angry about something it's because you deeply care, and as long as we care there's always the risk of going back to it when the "anger moment" will pass, because let's be honest, it will pass sooner or later.

So we need to stop caring, and the best way to do it IMO is being involved as much as possible here, find new people, make new connections, create/participate in new communities, so there's no chance we'll miss anything of what's "on the other side".

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

While I can appreciate wanting to help others feel good about posting, here are my concerns (and some solutions at the end to consider):

  1. If most posts were upvoted blindly, it would make post ratings meaningless as well as the Hot feature. I prefer "good" posts to rise to the top.

  2. If we upvote low quality/low effort posts, then that is what we are encouraging users to produce.

  3. Low quality posts especially from Help Vampires can be a huge drain on the community and moderators. E.g., No one wants to see the same question asked every few posts.

  4. New users may at first be drawn to seeing the number of posts...but if the first x number of posts are all garbage, we may lose potential users.

Personally, I will not upvote posts just to make new people more confident. However, here are some alternative solutions:

  1. People can learn to feel comfortable posting in certain communities that are either smaller or where quality is less expected. E.g., if the future Arch Linux community is like their forum, they are very strict and you'll get worse than a down vote if you don't follow the guidelines in How To Ask Questions The Smart Way and had first RTFM (read the manual) and STFW (searched the web) and have put in great effort and be truly stuck before posting.

  2. Before downvoting, we could look at the user's profile and some of their posts and if they seem very new, we could cut them some slack and/or send them a PM instead of downvoting.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Its funny: in my case a few weeks before the current reddit enshittification drive I started feeling like /r/all was turning into facebook or twitter from a 'create engagement by pissing people off' perspective and started checking in on mastodon more regularly and reddit less. I do participate in a bunch of subreddits too, but it seems like the writing is on the wall with reddit.

I don't love the twitter model where you're searching for a hashtag of the day or following some entity yelling stuff. I grew up on usenet news, forums, and bbs'es before Facebook came along and really like threaded discussions, with self/auto moderation for interest and community 'adults' moderating for big stuff.

Today is my first day on a Lemmy instance and so far it seems to be exactly the right model for me: distributed, forum moderated and user moderated, and threaded discussion based. Its awesome the underlying protocols fit many models (this one and the Mastodon one) so you can choose your style.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I do not see why we should upvote everything we see. If barely anything gets upvoted, content will still be there and will likely be at the top (if all comments have just 1 vote they all have equal chance to be at the top).

The Reddit guidelines looked good to me. Upvote if you think it's relevant. Downvote if you think it does not belong there. Don't do anything if it doesn't fall in these two cases.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Long time reddit lurker, coming out of my shell one uovote at a time.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Pioneering work is hard but very rewarding. Definitely a fun time which we all should use to really shape things how we would like them to be

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I find it hard to see how this site can ever challenge the huge user base of Reddit and how they have a relatively active community for basically every topic in existence. But maybe things will snowball.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In my mind, it only needs to be a fraction of the size of Reddit to be potentially successful. I've been using online forums since the 90s, back in the day there were some forums with great long-lasting communities that had only a couple of dozen regular members. Sometimes a smaller forum is better than a larger one. Granted it's different since forums generally specialised in one topic, but don't forget the days where you didn't need to be a huge all-encompassing platform to be successful, especially when you're not trying to make money from it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sometimes I miss the 90's and early 2000's forums. Smaller and positive communities with good moderation. Hope this inherites that spirit.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Totally agree. It's called social loafing. From Wikipedia: "In social psychology, social loafing is the phenomenon of a person exerting less effort to achieve a goal when they work in a group than when working alone. It is seen as one of the main reasons groups are sometimes less productive than the combined performance of their members working as individuals."

In large communities like Reddit, users are less likely to participate than in a small community

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

It won't. And it doesn't need to. It just needs to grow and become self sufficient. This will never kill reddit. Reddit will not be "killed". The purpose is not to kill but to become a place where people come to as an competitive alternative or at the very least a place where they feel good and where they feel they're getting something out of their participation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You never know, Reddit was once small and digg was the shit, then digg killed itself. Honestly, I kinda doubt it's gonna happen here as well, social media has been consolidating for years now and it's extremely hard to break into the space, but I'll hold onto hope, this looks like a very cool conecpt.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

from a tech standpoint... when the core development community departs a project, that project dies - its almost always a given. reddit is such a giant that it may never die and I dont expect its core to be completely gutted. but quality content attracts more of the same and I feel that we are beginning to get quality core people here. the reddit husk can continue to shamble on, I don't care.

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