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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

VPNs are only really necessary if you use public trackers. Private trackers are generally viewed as small enough and not worth the bother by copyright holders to pursue. Like someone else said earlier, it’s a matter of risk. I tend to view private trackers, especially those seen as “elite” and difficult to enter as being very safe.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

VPN that I use is about 50USD for a two year cycle, pretty cheap if you commit for a while. Even beyond torrents just not letting your ISP scoop up all your browsing data is worth the price.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

worst that can happen is your ISP sends you a letter to stop, then get a VPN.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why not get a seedbox? Most come with Plex and Jellyfin so you can stream the content of the seedbox. Also they generally provide VPNs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's a good seedbox provider these days? I had one over ten years ago, but I don't even remember what that company was called.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I got one of Hetzner's "used" servers with 60TB of space for $45/mo (they had smaller too, but I'm building hella ratio). Just make sure you encrypt. I also only do private trackers through it, which definitely helps with ISP snooping. If I was going to use public trackers I'd probably still use a VPN or I2P.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

For a private tracker no, for public trackers it depends on your country. Some countries the worst you might get is an email or letter in the mail, other countries you will be sued. I even use a VPN for private trackers, let alone public trackers.

I would recommend using a VPN.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I personally wouldn't take the chance. Mullvad is €5 a month, and is worth it to me. My ISP completely shut off my service before ever giving me a notification. I had to completely restart service after going full Karen and blaming it on "my kids." I would do a few searches and find posts or info relevant to your area or ISP.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Mullvad stopped providing port forwards, so they're not ideal for torrenting anymore. They were great before.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

American here, I've torrented movies and anime for a few years now and only got one warning (For downloading "The Big Short" of of Pirate bay). I have since stopped seeding on that site, though a seed on smaller ones. I have had no issues with lawyers since.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Not necessary but really really really really recommended.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

There are a lot of self-hostable VPN services out there which are free. There is also Mullvad as previously mentioned and I myself use Nord (I don't necessarily recommend it for privacy, but it was convenient when I got it).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally I just have a Real-Debrid sub for like 3 euros a month and do any torrenting via them.

Also useful for streaming just about anything in Kodi, and for downloading from file hosts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you use real debrid to automatically grab torrents from a private tracker (maybe through autobrr)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This wont be good for your ratio.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry, do you mean using it in place of BitTorrent wouldn't be good? Does it not seed back?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It (possibly) adds a layer of security. Of course you're just passing your traffic through them. Should they get summoned to court or ordered they could turn over your information and show you were trafficking through them. I'd say to read into how your nation persecutes copyright. How strict are they, how often have people been legally attacked cause of it, etc. If you're in Japan for example, I'd say 100% use a VPN. Copyright is extremely serious there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Very true. Not all VPNs are created equal and it's important to research, but ultimately you are putting your trust in them with your data. They provide anonymity but you need to trust them that they don't compromise your security. And of coruse you should still do everything else you can to maximise your security on the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Just an FYI: for the cost of a VPN, you can buy a Usenet subscription. Depending on your content, you'll get far better speeds, far more privacy, far more content, and far more availability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you're open to paying a few bucks, look into Real-Debrid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Real-debrid is amazing for its cost. (3 euros/month)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Nice, I'll check them out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I used to be all over usenet. Starting about 10-12 years ago most of the indexers turned to shit; either that or takedowns have eviscerated the back catalog of content from providers. I've yet to find a good tracker that can find anything (that's more than 12-24 hours old).

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Where would be a good place to go to learn more about UseNet? Are there any resources you prefer?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It is unfortunately a Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/index

My recommendation is to subscribe to Eweka when it's on promotion. I pay around $3/month since I pay for a year up front, and it recurs for that price.

Secondly, pay for NZBGeek.

Between those two you're mostly set. If you really start using your subscriptions a lot, you can look into alternate backbones and indexers.

You can automate all of this with Radarr and Sonarr. They are my favourite pieces of software ever.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You are fine without a VPN until you aren't anymore. Torrenting was fine in basically every country until it wasn't anymore. And then some people got burned without a warning.
So you can roll the dice, it might take years until people start caring in your country and you are fine until then. Or they might start caring in a few months. If you aren't, there is a chance you will have time to react to the news when other people first get hit in your country or you will be one of the first. If you are already using a VPN you can rest assured that you won't be one of the first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

YMMV but I never got into trouble for torrenting.

Bell Aliant in NS, Canada.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Look into a seedbox. They can be had for very cheap in some places and then you're not torrenting anything at all to your local network, you're just transferring everything over an encrypted ftp connection. I use whatbox and absolutely love it. I'm sure there are cheaper options though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It really depends on how likely you are going to be caught and what the consequences are. Your ISP may not care but copyright holders generally band together and have legal set ups in most countries both trying to take down servers and end users, lobby for legal changes including trying to criminalise copy right infingement.

Generally a trustworthy VPN is a very good idea not just for torrenting but for maintaining privacy and security when you are doing other things such as banking, or even just browsing. A VPN is about protecting all your data and internet traffic, not just protecting you when torrenting.

In terms of Torrenting, a Proxy may be enough and a lot of the best VPN providers do provide Proxy servers (that anonymise the detail of your Torrenting use but the rest of your computer use would be on the open internet) in addition to full VPN connections that secure your whole PC for P2P and non-P2P uses.

If a VPN seems too expensive, then there are companies that also only provide Proxy connecftions. BTGuard.com is an example; the Proxy only option is 30% cheaper than the full VPN option.

EDIT: Note though, a VPN is about anonymity. You need to trust your VPN provider as you're passing your data through them, and it is not a substitue for secure practices on the internet. You still need to be secure on the internet including only downloadling from trustworthy locations, using antivirus and malware protection, not installing software from insecure places, using HTTPS and securing your internet browser, turning on tracking protection & ad blocking, and even considering using virtualisation to protect yourself even more.

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