a backwoods facility completely failed to perform the activity correctly. they tortured this guy to death, either because they are morons, or they are evil. pick one. but it wasnt the methods fault.
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There was no way to perform the execution correctly. N2 asphyxiation makes no sense as an execution method -- it will only be painless if the person didn't realize what was about to happen or if they were cooperative. If not, it'll mean the person will fight until death. They will be put in a situation of endlessly expanding pain until they can bear it no more.
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¿Por qué no los dos?
nunca atribuyas a la malicia lo que se explica adecuadamente por la estupidez
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There's nothing described here that is inconsistent with "he held his breath as long as possible".
That is the major flaw with this method of execution. The person can choose to hold their breath and be absolutely miserable for several minutes before they involuntarily breathe in the nitrogen.
Show me an untrained person that can hold their breath “for several minutes”.
I probably could if, y'know, my life depended on it.
Me. It seems to vary a lot, but I managed to get 2 and a half minutes a few months ago. Most of the time I average about a minute though.
Pretty much everyone can.
Most people stop when it starts to hurt, but it takes several minutes of holding your breath before you pass out.
Please do just like, a hair of research before saying random shit like it's true.
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Smith began to shake and writhe violently, in thrashing spasms and seizure-like movements, at about 7:58 p.m. The force of his movements caused the gurney to visibly move at least once. Smith’s arms pulled against the against the straps holding him to the gurney. He lifted his head off the gurney the gurney and then fell back.
Fucking barbaric.
FWIW, this is exactly what lethal injection would look like if we didn't load the condemned up with muscle tranquilizers. Turns out, the body doesn't take kindly to being killed.
Yes, lethal injection is just to make the spectators feel peaceful. It’s horrible for the person receiving it.
There is no need in the 21st century for any government to execute its citizens. It’s not the 1500s anymore. There’s no excuse, other than barbarism.
Well we could always OD them on morphine. But the cruelty is the point.
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I have a feeling that they botched it if it was so violent. It's also common for people to be given/take sleeping pills to prevent spasms.
No, that's just what happens when you hold your breath for as long as possible
Yea, it's not that it was botched per se, it's just that this is a terrible, torturous way to execute someone.
N2 asphyxiation is only "peaceful" when it is an industrial accident or performed on a cooperative participant (i.e., self euthanasia) -- it just makes no sense for execution because someone who doesn't want to die is going to be tortured to death by it. Forced to fight every instinct they have to resist breathing until it hurts so bad they think they will die if they don't breath in, except they KNOW they'll die if they breath in so they push on.
It's really, really awful. It's a really horrendous way to execute.
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What are the chances that the preferred method for assisted suicide in some countries is “cruel and unusual punishment”?
Should we allow the state to kill people? No.
Is this particular method the least cruel/painful? I think that’s likely.
Is this particular method the least cruel/painful? I think that’s likely.
This method can be the "least cruel". The coverage on this story kind of sucks. Apparently they didn't allow for a way for CO2 to escape this he felt the sensation of suffocating as it happened. Had they done that or just flooded the whole room with nitrogen then it would be the "least cruel" method of execution.
I put "least cruel" in quotes because on this issue we tend to mash cruelty in with messiness even though they have nothing to do with each other. Shotgun to the upper brain stem (or something like it ) is probably the truly least cruel method. No time for suffering, consciousness just ends.
We could also just not do capital punishment but that's not happening so here we are.
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For fuck’s sake. Are you telling me Americans, of all people Americans, are now too stupid to kill?
What’s with these crazy new execution methods? Just shoot the guy. It’s not like you didn’t have a hundred thousand cops trained to kill on sight.
Abolish capital punishment.
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"Humane" execution isn't good, not only because execution is bad, and the pretense of a more humane method is just sugar coating, but also like 95% of people in support of death penalty just want to see a human being killed, with almost all of them are angry at how it's doesn't involve torture. The worst of this kind legit fantasize about murdering PoC kids as bloodsport, under the pretense of "upholding the law".
Obligatory:
The False Evolution of Execution Methods
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Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall, however, characterized it on Friday as a “textbook” execution.
The textbook requires cruelty.
Jesus, stop all this ridiculous nonsense. The Acting AG at the execution said it went "textbook," the execution began at 8:00am and ended at 8:15 am and went exactly as it was supposed to go. There was nothing "experimental" or "cruel" about it. It was a lot more humane that lethal injection and lot more humane than a firing squad.
The man who was executed was the one who DEMANDED to be executed by nitrogen gas, it was his final wish, nobody forced it on him. No execution is ever going to be nice and pretty to look at. Shooting the guy would not exactly be a wonderful thing to behold.
The man who was executed was the one who DEMANDED to be executed by nitrogen gas, it was his final wish.
Source on this? I can't find anything about that. I did find this.
Smith’s 1989 conviction was overturned, but he was convicted again in 1996. The jury recommended a life sentence by 11-1, but a judge overrode that and sentenced him to death. Alabama no longer allows a judge to override a jury’s death penalty decision.
In the wake of Smith’s failed execution, he has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and is being prescribed a cocktail of medications including drugs to control migraines. His prison psychiatrist has recorded that he is suffering from insomnia, anxiety and depression – symptoms often associated with severe trauma.
“I am not ready for that. Not in no kind of way. I’m just not ready, brother,” he said.
That alone is enough for me to question the states ability to administer justice. Whoever told you he requested it is a liar and likely trying to manipulate you; or is just stupid.
https://apnews.com/article/nitrogen-execution-death-penalty-alabama-699896815486f019f804a8afb7032900
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/21/kenneth-smith-alabama-execution-nitrogen-gas
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How it looks to onlookers should in no way factor in to deciding what method you use.
The onlookers don't have to be there. They have a choice.
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He held his breath as long as possible. Read what happens when you do that.
https://www.healthline.com/health/holding-your-breath
There was nothing wrong with the method, this guy chose to suffer. As soon as he started breathing the nitrogen it was done.
this guy chose to suffer.
He was desperately trying to cling to life. Are you saying you wouldn't?
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At least they can just suck all the nitrogen back out of him if they find that there was a miscarriage of justice later on.
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