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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the teenager, who immigrated to Mississippi from Guatemala years ago.

The child labor problem is actually an immigration issue. These companies know they can hire migrant children to do dangerous work because they think their parents will stay in the shadows out of fear of deportation. I'm glad one mother is fighting back anyway.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173697113/immigrant-child-labor-crisis

[–] ralphio@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2 deaths from a machine starting up during maintenance? Plant needed to be shut down after the first one.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Who the hell doesn't have lock out procedures for deadly machinery?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lockout takes almost a whole minute of production time! That's a waste, we need that time to churn out more pink slime for McDonald's

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

This is the South. OSHA is communism.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Supervisors who don't want to get fired for not meeting unreasonable quotas.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In July, Duvan became the third worker to die in less than three years at the Hattiesburg, Mississippi, plant owned by Mar-Jac, a Georgia-based poultry production company.

In 2020, 33-year-old Joel Velasco Toto died after a co-worker “inserted an air-compression hose into his rectum,” the lawsuit says. In 2021, 48-year-old Bobby Butler died after becoming entangled in a machine he was cleaning.

This doesn't sound like a great place to work.

[–] meat_popsicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

WTF are these fucking malicious assholes thinking? Compressed shop air can be at hundreds of PSI and a small nozzle that can fit up an ass will turn it almost into a knife.

I hope that sick bastard caught a murder charge.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

People associate air under pressure with bicycle tires because they're ignorant.

https://youtu.be/xnyh78wjZ1o?si=YPtArwFgzWAliuSV

video for people who spell tires with a "y":

https://youtu.be/294Wu6O0uW0?si=l5SKxqAU_O76d3oi

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

There's no evidence the murderer was charged, although there is some evidence it may have been manslaughter, not murder.

Article about Bobby's death, which also discusses how Joel's death has not gotten any updates since.

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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it was possible the entire company should be charged with negligent homicide and dissolved for these kinds of patterns, but they probably will get fined or pay a settlement, so it's just a cost of doing business.

At my work place, with a shop full of dangerous equipment, 20 years ago a person was killed using a lathe and we still hear about it and have extensive safety procedures specifically because of that, and no one else has died or been critically injured since.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Jurgis recollected how, when he had first come to Packingtown, he had stood and watched the hog-killing, and thought how cruel and savage it was, and come away congratulating himself that he was not a hog; now his new acquaintance showed him that a hog was just what he had been-one of the packers' hogs. What they wanted from a hog was all the profits that could be got out of him; and that was what they wanted from the workingman, and also that was what they wanted from the public. What the hog thought of it, and what he suffered, were not considered; and no more was it with labor, and no more with the purchaser of meat. That was true everywhere in the world, but it was especially true in Packingtown; there seemed to be something about the work of slaughtering that tended to ruthlessness and ferocity-it was literally the fact that in the methods of the packers a hundred human lives did not balance a penny of profit.

  • Upton Sinclair, The Jungle

Published over a century ago and tragically still relevant.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

In 7th grade a friend read that book for class, he was normally a very cheerful and joking sort of guy. After a few days of reading it he suddenly had the most serious and somber demeanor I had seen for a 7th grader.

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[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Wouldn’t a parent have some responsibility to know and understand where their minor child was working

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see any claims in the article that said the parent were unaware where their child was working. It would appear what they were unaware of was the failure to follow laws and regulations.

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just have a hard time believing the mother didn’t actually know. The ultimate responsibility is obviously on the company, who should follow safety practices and follow the laws.

But hey, this is america get your cash money.

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't know what? That lock out wasn't being followed?

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That her son was working illegally at a poultry plant.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

She's suing because the workplace is unsafe, not because of their illegal hiring practices.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Illegally? Some states in US-of-fucking-A are letting kids work. Pretty sure Mississippi is on that list.

[–] DesertCreosote@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But hey, this is america get your cash money.

Yes, I'm sure this is actually about the money for her, and not an attempt to ensure the company is punished in some way for her son's death. Grieving parents are famously more concerned with payouts than making sure negligence that killed their children doesn't happen again. /s

The responsibility for a safe working environment is entirely on the company here, and if they have failed to provide it they should be held liable and pay damages.

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure if the parent had just asked the company if they were a shit hole place to work none of this would have happened!

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I think this is the same child who submitted an Id for a 32 year old

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some? Sure. But that doesn't absolve the businesses responsibility to safety.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

But then the rich owners might not make as much money. Let's get our priorities straight, here. /s

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

No it's clearly the fucking job creator's fault for not creating him a job at the cash register at the Chick-fil-A instead of the slaughterhouse

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is not an unreasonable question and you do not deserve to be downvoted for asking it. I can't imagine what is up people's bonnets today.

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[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

My friend used to work there, said he quit because working conditions were shit. He also said there were a bunch of people who couldn't speak any English (he's not racist, he said he assumed they were illegals being exploited)

Gotta love Hattiesburg

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't the mother also partially responsible for letting her son work there?

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you saying that the parent isn't also responsible to ensure that their child works in a safe place?

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fuck no. What a stupid thing to suggest. My mommy didn't come to my work when I was 16 because she assumed that in America we don't have such abhorrent conditions to necessitate a visit.

Are you the type of person that needs your mommy to look over all the things you do?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wow, so edgy. And angry. Whatever is going on with you has nothing to do with my comment. Seems you are just discovering that life sucks and that the system is rigged.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm the edgy one? 🙄 How's fifth grade?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And direct to the personal attack. You must be insecure.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just punching down to your level! Too much? Want mommy?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really is shocking just how toxic you are. The way someone treats you is nearly always a representation of them as a person rather than you. What are you trying to tell us about yourself? I don't actually care, you're getting blocked. But you should probably find a way to answer that question for yourself.

[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should have acquiesced after the suggestion mom is partially responsible for ensuring her son doesn't die at work. It was a dumb suggestion. This isn't 1874.

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We do normally count on legal guardians to, by definition, ensure the safety of their charges until they come of age.

I don't know the facts of the case here - she may not have even known he was illegally employed - but it's just not inherently outlandish to ask the question. When I was growing up my parents certainly protected me.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

As best I can tell, the anger comes down to “but the mom shouldn’t have had to worry”. It’s sort of like they can’t handle that things are the way they are.

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