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"Operations in the Red and Arabian Seas, Bab al-Mandab Strait, and the Gulf of Aden are continuing, escalating, and effective," Abdul Malik al-Houthi added in a televised speech. He gave no details of the submarine weapons.

Ships owned by individuals or entities in Israel, the U.S. and U.K. or sailing under their flags are banned from the Red Sea, Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea, Thursday's notices said.

"The Humanitarian Operations Center was established in Sanaa to coordinate the safe and peaceful passage of ships and vessels that have no connection to Israel," a senior Houthi official told Reuters on Thursday.

No ships have been sunk nor crew killed during the Houthi campaign. However there are concerns about the fate of the UK-registered Rubymar cargo vessel, which was struck on Feb. 18 and its crew evacuated.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a few things you can do right now:

  • Reduce your consumerism. Reuse and recycle as much as possible.
  • Boycott all Israeli products.
  • Buy local, so you don't rely on foreign shipping
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds like we will keep blowing up their ability to attack civilian shipping.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Houthi blockade lifts the second israel stops their Genocide in Gaza,

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

their official slogan:

God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

i have a hunch they'll just be happy to see more dead jews

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting, because they seemed fine with Israeli/allied consumer shipping up until the genocide. it's funny how that works

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

If you really think that's the reason and not something else entirely, I've got a bridge in Tehran to sell to you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proving how much anti-semitsm israel spreading is by using Judaism as a shield for their crimes

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so now you're justifying anti-semitism?
just like neo-nazis giving excuses for their anti-semitism.
anti-semitism existed for centuries before israel

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No I'm explaining the cause of anti-semitism. Which is israel. Israel keeps using the good Jewish name as a shield for their Genocide.

Only since israel started using Judaism as a shield for their Nazi behavior did this false correlation start.

Arabs have no problem with Jews. It was in Europe that Pogroms were a regular occurance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Arabs have no problem with Jews. It was in Europe that Pogroms were a regular occurance.

Baghdad farhud 1941

Allahdad 1839 pogrom

Mawza Exile 1679-1680

Damascus Affair 1840

Granada Massacre 1066

1834 looting of Safed

Fez massacre 1033

Yemen
"In the late 1160s, the Yemenite ruler 'Abd-al-Nabī ibn Mahdi gave Jews a choice of conversion to Islam or martyrdom."

(893) "Under the Zaydi rule, the Jews were considered to be impure and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim's or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by youth, a Jew was not allowed to fight them. In such situations, he had the option of fleeing or seeking intervention by a merciful Muslim passerby."

Egypt
"In 1300 Sultan Al-Nasir Qalawan ordered all Jews under his rule to wear yellow headgear to isolate the Egyptian Jewish community.  This law would be enforced for centuries and later amended in 1354 to force all Jews to wear a sign in addition to yellow headwear. On multiple occasions the ulema persuaded the government to close or convert synagogues. Even major places of pilgrimage for Egyptian Jews such as the Dammah Synagogue were forced to close in 1301. Jews subsequently were excluded from bath houses and were prohibited to work in the national treasury. This repression of the Jewish community would continue for centuries."

and more
"In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure."
"in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing."

muslims made jews wear patches before the nazis did.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Farhud (also Farhood; Arabic: الفرهود) was the pogrom or the "violent dispossession" that was carried out against the Jewish population of Baghdad, Iraq, on 1–2 June 1941, immediately following the British victory in the Anglo-Iraqi War.

THE BRITS took over Baghdad and then did Pogroms. Let's blame the Arabs!

Don't look up what European colonialism had to do with Jewish persecution either that's going to be very inconvenient.

I also clicked on the Damascus Affair 1840 link. Since you didn't, I'll help you out.

Spoiler alert: It's Europe again:

Since the beginning of the sixteenth century, Syria had been part of the Ottoman Empire (1299–1922). However, in 1831, eight years before the Tanzimat reforms, Ottoman Syria had come under the control of the Egyptian Muhammad Ali, the viceroy of Ottoman Egypt who had turned against the sultan. Muhammad Ali was said to have been influenced by European powers, particularly by France, which often attempted to safeguard and ameliorate the position of members of Catholic orders in the region.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what about all of those other examples you have conveniently overlooked?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In classic Hasbara fashion this person took a list of Wikipedia links that sounded convenient and did not read them

I read the top and the middle article at random which were fully BS and actually disproved the claims. The quotes to disprove them were provided

A person can't link 50 examples and pretend I have to debunk every single one. Two is plenty.

Next time someone provides a list a good idea for them is to read it themselves to make sure they can actually use it as argument.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"According to Iraqi government and British historical sources violence started when a delegation of Jewish Iraqis arrived at the Palace of Flowers (Qasr al Zuhur) to meet with the Regent Abdullah, and were attacked en route by an Iraqi Arab mob as they crossed Al Khurr Bridge. Iraqi Arab civil disorder and violence then swiftly spread to the Al Rusafa and Abu Sifyan districts, and got worse the next day when elements of the Iraqi police began joining in with the attacks upon the Jewish population, involving shops belonging to it being set on fire and a synagogue being destroyed. Many Jewish girls were gang-raped and children maimed and killed in front of their families."

"Shalom Darwish, the secretary of the Jewish community in Baghdad, testified that several days before the Farhud, the homes of Jews were marked with a red palm print ("Hamsa"), by al-Futuwa youth. Al-Sabawi also instructed Jews in Baghdad to pack suitcases and to wait to be taken to "detention camps" "for their own safety"."

"Two days before the Farhud, Yunis al-Sabawi, a government minister who proclaimed himself the governor of Baghdad, summoned Rabbi Sasson Khaduri, the community leader, and recommended to him that Jews stay in their homes for the next three days as a protective measure. He had planned for a larger massacre, preparing to broadcast a call for the Baghdad public to massacre Jews. However, the broadcast was never made since al-Sabawi was forced to flee the country."

planned and done by muslim iraqis.
not to mention all of the other massacres and anti-semitism cases i've linked.
but it's pretty clear by this point you'll justify any case of anti-semitism by arabs / muslims.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes now don't ask yourself the question of why the word BRITISH is in that first sentence.

Once the Brits install a government it is not commanded by Arabs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"A curse upon the Jews" must mean something different where you're from.

Arabs have no problem with Jews. It was in Europe that Pogroms were a regular occurance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world

Dhimmi were subjected to a number of restrictions, the application and severity of which varied with time and place. Restrictions included residency in segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive clothing such as the Yellow badge,[17][Note 1] public subservience to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and against marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal system (the testimony of a Jew did not count if contradicted by that of a muslim.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While there were antisemitic incidents before the 20th century, during this time antisemitism in the Arab world increased greatly.

Jeez wonder why anti-semitism was virtually non-existent before the 20th century. And then suddenly all Arabs became anti-semitic.

Did someone start some kind of hostile ideology that wanted to take over the Arab world using Judaism as a shield?

Even random Moroccans in a cafe can tell you what actually happened

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

virtually non-existent before the 20th century

Are you for real?

This link isn't for you, because you are clearly arguing in bad faith, but for anyone who doesn't actually know better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

In the Arab world after the Romans were expelled. Which is what our discussion is currently about.

The only bad faith is you trying to find random gocha's.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  1. Not a blockade.
  2. They're going to keep at it as long as they are physically capable
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Houthi's have openly stated that they will lift their blockade whenever israel stops their Genocide.

For more information here's a concise video

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In that video, he argues Houthis are shooting ships delivering weapons to Israel. However, basically all of the ships the Houthis attacked were not even heading to or from Israel. Yemen does not have any moral leg to stand on when shooting civilians peaceably trading via the sea.

We will continue to destroy those attacking civilian shipping until they are no longer able to do so.

Edit: The Houthis just this week struck a ship carrying humanitarian aid to Yemen. Fuck the Houthis.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Every target they Houthi's hit so far has been directly related to their claims. Claims that they were not related have been proven false. The recent oil tanker was British. The first big hijacked ship was israeli.

The ship you are talking about had a US flag. Do you see Russian flagged aid trucks going into to Ukraine too?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The ship to Iran was American.

The Marshall Islands-flagged vessel is owned by US-listed Star Bulk Carriers Corp.

Massive props to the Houthi's for being consistent in their blockade and not just allowing ships through because it would strategically benefit them.

Shipping companies are extremely secretive about their ownership. They fly one flag, are owned by someone else, but also used by another company that leases them etc.

The fact is: Every ship that has been hit so far did have ties to the countries that the Houthi's are not allowing passage until their Genocide in israel is over.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they "had ties", international shipping ownership and flag choice is absolute chaos. You can justify almost anything to almost any vessel.

Attacking a civilian ship "Once registered in Britain" thousands of miles away from a country you claim to be blockading is absolutely not a valid target it's an obvious war crime.

The defence of this shit undermines the entire opposition to Israel, the moral argument for stopping Israel from killing civilians is very clear but when the people arguing for it most strongly see attacking other civilians as perfectly fine the entire case starts to look like just a convenient cover for anti semetism.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your argument is like saying that everyone is allowed to just hop over the American border and go everywhere because the are "civilians".

The moment you start doing illegal things you are no longer a "civilian".

Those ships have no right to pass through Yemeni waters. They have been warned in advance. Framing trade conglomerates as "civilians" to defend israel's Genocide is absolutely hilarious.

If you care about civilians go tell israel to stop their Genocide, then Yemen will lift their blockade.

Yemen has not killed a single civilian so far meanwhile America, israel and Britain are killing a child every 10 minutes

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could line by line this but these are civilians working on a ship, they don't choose anything, especially they don't choose where the ship goes which is international waters not Yemeni waters. The attacks are on ships in international waters

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

It's directly off the coast of Yemen. You like to pick and choose laws when you like.

But even with your warped standards, the root of this issue is israel not abiding by international law.

If israel doesn't have to then nobody else has to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Why are you lying?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is one garbage Youtube channel. How can you recommend clickbait nonsense like this?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Explain exactly what is garbage. Do you want Yoav Gallant explaining everything?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

So it's only a blockade when white people do it? gotcha.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's an easy way to end this and it costs nothing in terms of lives and money. Tell Israel to stop.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Linkerbaan just want to say that i admire your perseverance. Explaining, with sources, to some of the same users everyday on different posts, and having to take their shitty insults everytime.

I don't think i could do it, but i appreciate that you do. Because I, and I'm sure many others, have learnt a lot from the information you provide.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks. It has also forced me to get educated on the subject in order to respond to those people.

I am very glad to see (global) opinion on the matter shifting rapidly. The faster that the opinion shifts the less people will get killed in this Genocide.

If I could make one suggestion please financially support content creators such as GDF, Uncivilized and/or Owen Jones if you have the means to do so.

The israeli propaganda machine is incredibly expensive, yet more fragile than ever. Many independent content creators are absolutely demolishing them, and providing people like me with condensed knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just because two countries are warring, this gives a third country zero moral agency to strike random civilian ships bound in international waters.

Edit:

Currently, the Houthis are doing their best to exterminate LGBT communities within the borders of Yemen:

Amnesty International

I suppose under Article 1 if the cgppgc that gives any nation carte blanche to step in and attack them to stop this, right? ... right?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yemen is obliged by international law to do everything in their power to stop Genocide when they see it occurring. And Yemen has concluded that israel is committing Genocide. Thus they are forced to do this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Article 1

The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which particular international law is Yemen bound to in its role towards preventing genocide? And what the fuck does that have to do with attacking civilian ships?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Article one of the UN Genocide convention.

Those ships are complicit in Genocide.

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