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Police arrested three men accused of selling thousands of pills of meth-laced “Adderall” on various darknet marketplaces and mailing them through the United States Postal Service through a fictitious business called “Professional Paper Filing Inc.” that listed a real return address of an uninvolved business. That business then told police that it was repeatedly getting packages of pills in the mail as "return to sender."

The men face a maximum possible penalty of life imprisonment.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's why you use a fake return address that doesn't exist. Allowing your product to get into real people's hands was just asking for trouble.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wrong, fake addresses get picked up and flagged quickly. Valid addresses are required to keep the operation moving. One dark net dealer used the addresses of sex offenders as the addresses are publicly listed, and he didn't care if they got caught with drugs.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dexter thinking right here.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not defending sex offenders but some of the things that get you lumped into that group are definitely not equal to others. Getting caught pissing in a bush, for instance, not exactly what we think of.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely the USPS would then just open the package, to try and identify who the sender was instead?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't believe USPS can open packages without a warrant (which is why they're the preferred courier for drugs), and I don't think "multiple packages going to a wrong address" counts as probable cause. But it's been a minute since I've been involved in that end of things, so I dunno if that's still current protocol.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

https://www.uspis.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/USPIS-FAQs.pdf

Per #4 they need a warrant to open first class mail only. All other mail they can open without a warrant.

If it’s first class and they think the contents violate federal law then they can get a warrant. I doubt many legitimate pharmacies etc. ship pills via first class, and certainly not with a bogus return address. If they saw a pattern of that I would expect a warrant wouldn’t be too difficult to get.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Meth-laced Adderall

Oh no, the amphetamine was contaminated with amphetamine! 🙄

I'm aware that meth and Adderall aren't the exact same chemical, but this isn't like putting carfentanyl in heroin. "Laced" is some sensationalized bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Aren’t the exact same” is a huge understatement…

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's like saying table salt might explode if it touches water lmao

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in the ground for millions of years, expires next June.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

But not before the grinder blades go dull.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Beer is like 95%~ water therefore it is pretty much water.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

nope, grue is right. medical anti-adhd amphetamines use vs street use mostly boils down to dose and route of administration. there is difference in potency but not some massive like with fentanyl vs heroin (20x)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Damaging contaminants from production, unknown potency leading to accidental overdose if pure, adulterants added to "cut" the drugs. If you account for dosage, method of introduction, and difference in drugs its about as massive. There is a reason people who take addrerall don't regress to non-verbal and walk around hallucinating after being up for 3 days and take 6 months to dry out and relearn how to talk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damaging contaminants from production, unknown potency leading to accidental overdose if pure, adulterants added to “cut” the drugs.

You say that as if black-market adderall wouldn't be similarly risky even if it weren't "laced" with anything. Quit conflating risked caused by the means of production with risks caused by the different chemistry.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That is misinformation. methamphetamine is more addictive and has about twice the duration of amphetamine, not to mentiom different effects.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They feel VERY similar if you’re eating or insufflating them!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

the only real difference is t1/2, fine, but it hits the same receptors with potency that is at least in the same ballpark (as in, not 10x, more like 2x)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Most people would never notice an equivalent dose. Mexico has been selling meth adderall to medical tourists for years now, and people only found out it wasnt adderall when agencies got involved and started testing them.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Adderall literally contains a 3:1 mixture of d-amphetamine to l-amphetamine. This is a horseshit way of trying to make it sound like a bigger deal than it is.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

meth is neither of those chemicals. meth is methamphetamine which has different effects, more risks, is more addictive and has a MUCH longer duration.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Meth has a pretty similar duration to adderall when you eat, insufflate, or plug. I can’t comment on smokin’.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Neither D-amphetamine or L-amphetamine are methamphetamine. Methyl groups are lipid soluble which dissolves quickly into to your blood stream and effortlessly crosses the blood brain barrier. This makes methamphetamine significantly more potent compared to amphetamines. This is extremely dangerous as the dosage for amphetamines is double that of methamphetamines when taken orally.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Adderall is legally able to be prescribed to kids with ADHD. Meth is produced with a dirty chemical process that has become more prevalent with the decreasing availability of pseudoephedrin. Medical professionals working rehabs report worse and longer lasting damage quicker than is reasonable for merely staying awake and up constantly the primary risk from stimulants.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Adderall is legally able to be prescribed to kids with ADHD.

So is meth, except they use the brand name "Desoxyn."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's prescribed in theory. Mostly, I think, for people with narcolepsy, not kids with ADHD. My psychiatrist has had me try basically every ADHD medication and he has never once mentioned Desoxyn. And I knew a couple of pharmacy techs for a few years who definitely would have told me if they'd seen Desoxyn prescribed because it's the kind of trying they'd have been very excited about stealing from work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In finite controlled quantities while under the care of a doctor and not containing contaminants, injected, or snorted.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is definitely 110% laced. Meth is not amphetamine, its methamphetamine which has different effects and a VERY different duration, not to mention much higher addiction potential.

Sure they are both stimulants, but both heroin and carfentanyl are opioids.

Maybe you have been misled as to what laced means? It does not necessarily mean that it's deadly

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have family with ADHD, depending on the pharmacy, its either "amphetamine salt" or occasionally "methamphetamine something" (I forget). Yea, it's a variation of methamphetamine, and disingenuous to say otherwise, as the idea is to keep a specific area of the brain stimulated (it's been a long time since I read up on it).

That's not a criticism of the drug. I've seen the impact first hand for someone who I'm close to. It may be over diagnosed today, but ADHD is a real condition.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

These are wildly different medications. Meth is occasionally used for ADHD when nothing else works, but it requires careful medical supervision, for life. A pharmacist subbing out your amphetamine salts for meth will go to jail. Adderal is not meth, any more than caffeine is adrenaline, or morphine is fentanyl.

You say you "have family" with ADHD; do you mean you have multiple different family members on different medications? Because 9 outta 10 times someone tells me they know someone on "meth" for ADHD, they've misread methylphenadate; Ritalin.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Those are some really bad comparisons. Caffeine and adrenaline have nothing to do with each other. A better comparison might be maybe heroin and morphine?

Methamphetamine and the amohetamines in Adderal aren’t all that different. Same mechanism of action, similar pharmacology. Meth is actually sold in the US as a Desoxyn. It still blows my mind that it’s Schedule II (classified as having legitimate medical uses) when cannabis is still Schedule I.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The issue is typically one of strength, contamination, and overall effect. Ignoring chemical differences and impurities, it’s like giving Fentanyl to someone expecting Oxycodone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the dose is adjusted methamphetamine is indistinguishable from amphetamine in its subjective effect. Desoxyn is prescription methamphetamine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Indistinguishable no, but both are stimulants approved to treat ADHD and have similar effects.

If the dose is adjusted, fentanyl has a similar effect to oxycodone as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It is subjectively indistinguishable from lysdexamfetamine (Vyvanse/Elvanse) at equivalent dosage in several ADHD patients' opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

it’s like giving Fentanyl to someone expecting Oxycodone.

Doing that (without adjusting the dose) would likely kill them because difference in potency (and LD~50~) is absolutely massive. The difference in potency between Desoxyn and Adderall exists, but it's way, way, way smaller than that. In terms of the riskiness of drugs that may be "laced" with their more-potent counterpart, they aren't even slightly comparable.

Nobody's going to OD and die because they accidentally got some Desoxyn in their Adderall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The only prescribed methamphetamine is Desoxyn.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We put amphetamine in your amphetamine. So now you have 64% more amphetamine per amphetamine. — Heavy ADHD guy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hell yeah! I’ll just eat half as much.

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