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Have you notice how the general opinion is that people getting hit by cars somehow deserved it? My best friend was hit by a text-and-drive kindof woman. He was an athlete and now he can't walk more than a few hundred meters.
I think you've gone off the rails a bit. This could have been an interesting retrospective about how jaywalking actually became criminalized, for example.
It's the same principle. It's the idea that the flow of traffic must go on and that people convenience are more important than anything else - climate, public spaces, pollution, freedom to use the vehicle you want, even people's life.
No, I haven't heard this "general opinion". Any conversation I've been a part of or observed (which, to be fair, is less than a few dozen) has always defaulted to the driver being at fault.
I'm not sure where you live that the general opinion is victim blaming, but it doesn't sound like a pleasant place.
It's not. I used to take a hammer in my backpack while cycling for self-defense.
Where?
Western europe.
And you feel like you need a hammer?
I’m just trying to gauge the roughness of your area, it seems you don’t want to be specific which is fine.
I live in Manchester in the UK, healthy level of gangs, knife crime etc. yet I’ve never felt the need to walk around with a hammer. Like I’ll walk through moss side with no issue.
I guess my point is I am wondering if you’re just being worried about nothing or you’re living in hell.
I mean my city is a rust belt and it's kinda rough crime-wise. But drivers, especially, are fucking crazy. I lived in other places and people were actually quiet on the wheel. Here, I have a friend who had a case for homicide attempt after a truck rammed him "for fun". He won. Pretty much every cyclist I know got hit by a car.
My policy is: if you are weaker, you have to be extra carefull and give way to the others.
Usually in this order: pedestrian < bicycle < motorcycle < car < truck
This has served me well. No reason to risk your life in competing even if you are in the right. Being in the right serves you nothing when you're dead.
Yes, everyone should take precautions to keep themselves safe. Everyone should also advocate for safer roads and stiff penalties for vehicular violence.
You must always exercise safety and pragmatism, but that doesn't mean that the "stronger" vehicle deserves the right of way more. I'd argue that the more dangerous the vehicle is, the greater the obligation to operate it with care and due regard for others.
I think both are true.
I mean, it makes sense from a self-preservation point of view. Too many are upholding this exact policy while driving though, which is what I'm pointing out. One could argue that the heavier / more dangerous you are, the more careful you want to be as well.
Being in the right serves you nothing when you're dead.
My Dad taught me this concept at a young. He called it being "dead right".
Yes you're right, yes they're in the wrong. You're still dead.
So don't worry about other people doing it right, worry about yourself and your own safety.
"I had the right of way" makes a terrible headstone slogan.
What about "I almost run over a cyclist so he attacked me with a hammer?". One can only be so tolerant toward the constant threat of vehicular assault.
Hell I almost got ran over by some bitch a couple of days ago while walking on the sidewalk.
I'm not saying or suggesting that it's a pedestrian, cyclist, driver, or anyone else's sole responsibility to stay safe. In fact, I strongly believe the "stronger" party has an outsized responsibility to make sure they act safely and not endanger other road users.
All I'm advocating for is for all participants to be vigilant and not assume right of way will be honored by the other party.
Ultimately, only you can keep you safe. Don't assume anyone is flawless. Regardless of where you are driving a car, walking, cycling, etc. people can and will make mistakes, miss something, or forget to check.
In the ocean, this is called the law of gross tonnage. Don't count on the tanker yielding to your sailboat.
The ocean is big. How do I exercise caution when some bitch is tailing me on my bike? If I fall I die. If I side, they pass you leaving the size of an apple as security. Quit your victim blaming lmao. Ocean tankers takes half an hour to take another direction, your cars takes 1 seconds. False equivalency.
I agree, and I've been run off the road on my bike too. I didn't make up the thing people say. I'm not even a mariner.
Exactly. laws are not armour. They are simply a deterrent at best.
Ya know it’s not that anyone “deserves” to get hit by a car. I will say there are definitely circumstances I’ve seen where it was an incredibly predictable outcome
Standing in a parking lot and get hit? Drivers fault.
Sprinting across four lanes of traffic on a busy street in rush hour, at dusk, in black clothing? I mean… still the drivers fault technically, but cmon.
I'm not talking about people who throw themselves under wheel. I'm talking about legitimately crossing the street at a stop and some asshole honks you or attacks you for being in the way. There seems to be a general consensus that traffic flow is more important than people's life. Just see how many were begging for protesters to get run over, on reddit for example.
I've never seen people supporting a driver for honking or attacking someone who was legitimately crossing the street...
Good for you then :)
And good for you pretending that it's the pervasive attitude, I guess.
It is pervasive though.
No it's not.
My ex girlfriend was like that. There was this piece of road when entering the city where pedestrians could cross the road. It was symbolised by some waves on the road (because it was over a bridge that's why i guess) my girlfriend would always yell at me or the pedestrians that we (in the car) come first. I don't know how true that was, she said she asked someone. And the conversation was always that i don't care, because i'm not running over people.
She would always accelerate or honk or yell out of the window. Congratulations, now you sit over there in traffic instead of back here. And you only had to endanger 10 people
:s I hope she calmed down. Even for herself I guess it shouldn't be good for blood pressure
Roads are meant for vehicles. When you cross one, the onus is on BOTH parties to pay attention. This is why in many cases, BOTH parties are fined in a collision. And for the record:
Suicide is also illegal.
Roads are meant for people, not your pathetic stupid death machine. Ban them
ROFL!
My dude, pedestrians get killed by cars while they wait at bus stops. Or while using a crosswalk when they have the right of way.
Suggesting that people should jump out of the way because they have an onus to pay attention from unskilled or negligent motorists seems like victim blaming.
Suicide is illegal? lmao what an idiotic law is that?
Roads are meant for everybody. Thanks for proving our point that vroemers think they're entitled to polluting they way around. Disgusting people.
I am so sorry for your friend.
Too many people live in la-la-it-cant-happen-to-me-land and take that attitude with them behind the wheel. I think that to qualify for a drivers license one should be required to watch car crash footage and see pictures of the aftermath like you do in a good forklift safety video, because people really do not understand the relative forces involved with moving at a high rate of speed.
Does it look like your friend will ever recover his mobility?
Hey I am a Dreamy Pedestrian. Should I be scared?
Yes. Always look left and right before crossing the street <3
Are you vague? Too vague, even?