But they're banning printed books in libraries instead...
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I've always taken the "protect our children" argument to have an implied "...from the knowledge that will actually protect them from abusers" based on the things the argument is trotted out for.
always be wary when they say either "protect the children" or " for your safety"
Can't exploit kids as easily when they know what exploitation is.
I called this an unpopular opinion before, but maybe it's just an uncomfortable one
This isn't going away. It's in the wild, there's no putting it back in the bottle. Maybe, let's take this chance to stop devaluing women because their nudes exist. Men can post nudes with zero consequences - what's the logic here? IDGAF if they're a teacher with an only fans, if everyone can be rendered nude, no one can be.
Let's live in a post nudes world. Next time a woman is about to get fired over nudes, let's say "it's probably ai generated, you're disgusting for suggesting such a thing". Let them do it behind closed doors, or we shame them relentlessly. Anyone sharing nudes without consent should be the target here, who cares if they're generated, shared with trusted partners, or shared publicly for their own reasons.
The person bringing them into an inappropriate setting are the ones doing something wrong. No one should be shamed or feel fear because their nudes are being passed around - they should only feel disgust.
Men can post nudes with zero consequences - what’s the logic here?
I'm not really sure if that'd be the case if I did that
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Sounds great. But perhaps you have forgotten the existence of the patriarchy? Basically the very thing keeping double standards like that in place.
So fight those standards? Do you think "the patriarchy" is a nebulous state that affects society like a modifier in a video game? Reject those standards in your interactions with other people and you're effectively fighting the patriarchy. That attitude only leads to accept things as they are while you go through the path of least resistance.
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This is a human problem, not an AI problem.
Maybe if we hadn't neglected it for the past century.....
Ai is definitely making things worse. When I was at school there was no tool for creating a deep fake of girls, now boys sneek a pic and use an app to undress them. That then gets shared, girls find out and obviously become distressed. Without ai boys would have to either sneak into toilets/changing rooms or psychically remove girls clothes. Neither of which was happening at such a large degree in a school before as it would create a shit show.
Also most jurisdictions don't actually have strict AI laws yet which is making it harder for authorities to deal with. If you genuinely believe that AI isn't at fault here then you're ignorant of what's happening around the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/29/clothoff-deepfake-ai-pornography-app-names-linked-revealed That's an article about one company that provides an app for deep fakes. It's a shell corp so not easy to shut down through the law and arrest people, also hundreds of teenage girls have been affected by others creating non consensual nudes of them.
When I was a kid I used to draw dirty pictures and beat off to them. AI image creation is a paint brush.
I very much disagree with using it to make convincing deepfakes of real people, but I struggle with laws restricting its use otherwise. Are images of ALL crimes illegal, or just the ones people dislike? Murder? I’d call that the worst crime, but we sure do love murder images.
Photoshop has existed for quite some time. Take photo, google naked body, paste face on body. The ai powered bit just makes it slightly easier. I don't want a future where my device is locked down and surveiled to the point I can't install what I want on it. Neither should the common man be excluded from taking advantage of these tools. This is a people problem. Maybe culture needs to change. Limit phone use in schools. Technical solutions will likely only bring worse problems. There are probably no lazy solutions here. This is not one of those problems you can just hand over to some company and tell them to figure it out.
Though I could get behind making it illegal to upload and store someone's likeness unless explicit consent was given. That is long overdue. Though some big companies would not get behind that. So it would be a hard sell. In fact, I would like all personal data be illegal to store, trade and sell.
Photoshop has existed for quite some time. Take photo, google naked body, paste face on body. The ai powered bit just makes it slightly easier.
Slightly easier? That's a one hell of an understatement. Have you ever used Stable Diffusion?
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It’s both.
As much as I would like to blame ai. Photoshop has been doing this for a long time already. I think the public ai sites already do csam searching and stuff for this already but somebody could still run it locally.
And how many times have you made this comment, only to have it pointed out that there is a big fucking difference between a human manually creating fake images via Photoshop at human speed using human skills, versus automating the process so it can be done en masse at the push of a button?
Because that's a really big fucking difference.
Think: musket versus gatling gun. Yeah, they both shoot bullets, but that's about where the similarity ends.
Is the genie out of the bottle at this point? Probably.
But to claim this doesn't represent a massive shift because Photoshop? Sorry but that's at best naive, and it's starting to get exhausting seeing this "argument" trotted out repeatedly by AI apologists.
Yeah ai would let you make more kiddie porn at a faster rate, but you can't really regulate that. If somebody wanted to draw animated kiddie porn they could still do that. How far would you go until you ban crayons?
I digress, yes, I don't like that this shit is happening and there really isn't a way. Making kiddie porn is already illegal and there's no way to regulate these tools so we can just try our best to catch them.
Some people say this ai thing for porn could lead to less sexual abuse. It's so dark I'm kind of speechless but maybe it could even reduce actual people from getting physically hurt but I have no clue, time will tell.
If somebody wanted to draw animated kiddie porn they could still do that. How far would you go until you ban crayons
It's genuinely impressive how completely you missed my point.
How about another analogy: US federal law allows people to own individual firearms, but not grenades.
But they're both things that kill people, right? Why would they be treated differently?
Hint: it's about scale.
The same is true of pipe bombs. But anyone can make a pipe bomb. Genie is out of the bottle, right? So why are there laws regulating manufacture and ownership of them? Hmm...
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It's not exactly fault of AI. It's a human problem. People have been doing this for years now but AI does make it easier.
Its bad for sexual exploitation of any gender,,
Totally agree! It's unfortunate that we live in a sexist ass society that would down vote a post like this! Sexual exploitation is bad regardless of gender and there should be nothing controversial about that!
A very ugly side to the technology, I absolutely think this should be considered on the same level as revenge porn and child pornography.
I also fear these kind of stories while be used to manipulate the public into thinking banning the tools is in their best interest instead of punishing the bad actors.
Your second point here is exactly what we should fear; that it might becomes legal only for companies and governments to use AI but not the masses.
That's why I'm of the opinion that we should maybe just get over it. It's going to continue to become easier and easier to use it for horny reasons. The guy wearing the smart glasses might be seeing every women around him undressed in real time. We're just a few years away from that and there is no acceptable way to prevent that.
This will not be popular, but I welcome this. Once we normalize AI video porn, then videos are no longer trusted like we don't trust photoshopped images.
Even if the video is real, anyone can just claim it's AI. Nobody will even need to create their own home videos anymore because the kink is sorta gone now since anyone can claim it's fake.
I used to agree with this, but hearing interviews with actual victims changed my mind. This only works in theory.
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Usually for grade schoolers it's haha you're naked not haha you're a slut now.
Some day we'll develop better attitudes regarding nuditymand sexuality, but not today, and not in the US.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But the idea of such young children being dehumanized by their classmates, humiliated and sexualized in one of the places they’re supposed to feel safe, and knowing those images could be indelible and worldwide, turned my stomach.
And while I still think the subject is complicated, and that the research doesn’t always conclude that there are unfavorable mental health effects of social media use on all groups of young people, the increasing reach of artificial intelligence adds a new wrinkle that has the potential to cause all sorts of damage.
So I called Devorah Heitner, the author of “Growing Up in Public: Coming of Age in a Digital World,” to help me step back a bit from my punitive fury.
In the Beverly Hills case, according to NBC News, not only were middle schoolers sexualizing their peers without consent by creating the fakes, they shared the images, which can only compound the pain.
(It should be noted that in the Beverly Hills case, according to NBC News, the superintendent of schools said that the students responsible could face suspension to expulsion, depending on how involved they were in creating and sharing the images.)
I regularly hear from people who say they’re perplexed that young women still feel so disempowered, given the fact that they’re earning the majority of college degrees and doing better than their male counterparts by several metrics.
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