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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439723

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Palestinian Territory – Israel’s army has again massacred Palestinian civilians who had gathered in Gaza to obtain humanitarian aid, targeting them with gunfire from helicopters, tanks, and drones near the Kuwait roundabout on the outskirts of Gaza City. This incident has resulted in over 60 deaths and 160 injuries, some of which are critical.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide? When does it become strategically disadvantageous?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not as long as Democrat politicians know they can continue to count on our votes while they take money from the Zionist lobby and do their bidding. But don't you dare suggest not voting for Genocide Joe on here. Anyone who would suggest such a thing must be an astroturfing Trump troll. After all, what's a little genocide in the big picture?

PS: The Zionist lobby isn't an antisemitic dog whistle. In the US, the Zionist lobby probably gets more support from rabid fundamentalist Christians who think Israel's ascendancy will trigger the end times than from Jews. That's been true since the Blackstone Memorial was circulated in 1891.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Memorial

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why are you acting like Trump wouldn’t support the genocide? It’s not a choice between genocide and not, so yes you are in fact just trolling for trump.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This isn't the trolley problem. We have other options. We could force Biden to step aside and have an open convention. If that doesn't happen, I'll vote for Cornel West or Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok Dimitri, please tell us how you'll vote in a US election as a Russian living in St Petersburg?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not that Trump wouldn’t support the genocide, he certainly would. But as long as Democrats feel they can also support the genocide without repercussions, they will do so to enrich themselves. Republicans aren’t going to change, there’s little point trying to push them on this. But if democrats think that this issue is the difference between winning and losing an election (and thus potentially limiting their ability to enrich themselves), there’s a smidge of a chance they’d at least cut funding or something.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool strategy bro. Let's play Chicken with our politics. That's some real 4D chess there.

I mean, it's not like our entire political infrastructure and way of lives could be determined by the next election.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right, I guess we need to do nothing while thousands of children slowly starve to death before our eyes. I suppose it's just a sacrifice we have to make.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

This is dumb.

Destroying your own livelihood is not going to stop the Gazan Massacre. It'd be like if you threatened to burn down your local hospital if they don't start admitting more uninsured people. Your actions will help no one, and make things worse for everyone.

You want to fix a problem? Then take steps to actually fixing them. Not threatening to destroy everything around you like a fucking child.

How's this, why don't you go burn down your home or your parents home as a form of protest. It'll really make a message about the destroyed homes in Gaza. Oh, your not going to do it? I guess your just as bad as I am. Hypocrite.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

No one wants to hear it discussed because it's a fucking dumb strategy, like, what effect do you think it'll actually have? You vote for the guy that's most likely to actually do something about it rather than vote to sink the entire fucking ship because your having a temper tantrum. You're insane if you think that's even a remotely viable strategy. I can't believe you're even bringing it up like it's a "good" idea...like wtf.

You can check my post history. I'm rabidly against this genocide. The IDF has gone unchecked and their treatment of an "enemy populace" is a fucking warcrime. Something needs to be done. But if you think for a second that I or any other rational adult here is going to even remotely humor the idea of doing something that could get Trump elected, you are out of your damned mind.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire fucking ship is committing a genocide

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

No, we're not commiting a genocide. There's just not enough pressure to stop a strategic ally (that's armed with nukes, mind you) from doing horrific actions. There's been a shit ton of verbal posturing from all of our allies over this, but no one else has done a damned thing either. I'm not going to tank my country because of it either. What does that accomplish? Congratulations bro, your morally superior. Hope that'll keep you chipper in the American gulag if Trumpelstiltskin gets elected.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is literally our shells and bombs which our client state is using to kill children while we are the lone veto in the UN Security Council vote for a ceasefire. Obama and Reagan--yes, Ronald Reagan--withheld weapon shipments to Israel over far less. All Biden has to do is follow his own policy which prohibits providing arms that will likely be used to violate human rights. Instead, he has refused to even place conditions on the weapons he gives to Israel, conditions he has been happy to place on arms transfers to Ukraine.

Biden is not merely complicit. He's a willful participant. He's a war criminal.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

LOOKS LIKE THE LEMMY CENORS ARE OUT IN FULL FORCE

This is the comment that I made that got removed:

Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide?

No.

When does it become strategically disadvantageous?

Always. We literally had 9/11 because of Israel and still haven't learned our lesson.

We are literally not allowed to say 9/11 happened because of Israel, despite the mastermind behind the attack literally saying that's why he did it AND I even provided the source!

https://lemmy.world/comment/8465732

There are some horrible mods on this team with a clear agenda. We cannot trust them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

No because they're the ones sponsoring it

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel is an example of what a country shouldn't be like.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

every country supporting israel it's also an example of what countries shouldn't be like

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yet if you look at the neighboring countries, it's better in almost every way.

I say "almost" because there could be some minor ways that some neighbor surpasses them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Except that Jordan is peaceful and in the Arabian/Gulf countries the government takes care of you instead of eradicating you...

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

Massacre upon massacre.

Yet the Zionist stranglehold on our politicians continues

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Fuck israel. All my homies hate israel.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

The colonial apartheid state of israel is genociding Palestinian with support from western countries.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

And there are still people denying this is a genocide.

I heard a really interesting interview on NPR with Ofer Cassif, the head of an Israeli socialist party who just survived impeachment. He advocates for South Africa's genocide ICC case. But what was more interesting to me was how he was talking about how Netanyahu is using this as an excuse to turn Israel into a dictatorship, something he already tried with his attempt to reform their supreme court.

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/13/1224635827/israeli-lawmaker-on-the-u-n-genocide-case-against-israel

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Israel should be sanctioned like North Korea until they stop their genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
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