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Meta just showed off Threads’ fediverse integration for the very first time (www.theverge.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 205 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”

Your intentions mean exactly nothing when you're being paid by Zuckerberg.

It also doesn't actually matter what you intend, because the problem isn't just what the platform can do, it's about Meta being in this space and trying to stake a claim in it. We came here to escape you. Go the fuck away.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right? I don't care what their intentions are, if they continue to house hate groups, their "intentions" count for exactly nothing

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[–] rambaroo 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't get these people. They knowingly chose to work for Meta after everything that company's done. You don't get to pretend you're the good guy anymore. They're by far the most evil big tech company on the planet and that says a fucking lot when you're up against MS, Oracle, Google and Apple

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At a very desperate time in my life I worked for Comcast. Everytime something bad happens to me now I know I deserve it and that it is karma coming back to me.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe the engineering team has good intentions, but Zuck and his Fucks surely don't.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I don't believe for a second that any of them have good intentions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I'm not a fan of Meta and I don't want to join Threads. But there may be some people over there I would like to follow. At least on Mastodon, we can block any instance we choose to manually. I hate when instances make the decision for me.

Defederation should be a last resort when there are so many options here for people to tailor their own feeds.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Defederate.

They can have a corporate silo. They can use an open standard. But they cannot do anything good for the fediverse. The best thing for the fediverse is to let them exist as a walled garden (and we can put up the wall).

There are about 10 million users on the free fediverse. That number has grown steadily and sustainably. There are 160 million threads users. They were instantaneously leveraged onto the platform by a billion dollar corporation (possibly in violation of antitrust laws).

If we federate, Threads won't become a part of the fediverse; threads will become the fediverse.

EEE

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm deleting my Lemmy account because it's just

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

hey guys have you seen Candlejack he was right

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ill move to server that has defederated meta completely

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You can find servers based on Threads defederation through this site. Since you don't want anything to do with Threads, I suggest filtering by 'blocked' and 'Fedipact' I'm not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I'd appreciate if someone would explain.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

theres also https://defed.xyz/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's a really good site too, though I suggest using fedipact.veganism.social if you're specifically interested in which instances are defederated from Threads. Some instances have hidden blocklists and won't show if they have defederated Threads if you search through defed.xyz.

For example: You can only see that retro.pizza and masto.ai have hidden blocklists if you look through defed.xyz. However, if you look on fedipact.veganism.social, you can see that retro.pizza has joined the Fedipact against Threads, while masto.ai is fully federated with them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I'd appreciate if someone would explain.

Looks like to be part of the fedipact you have to sign this: https://fedipact.online/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I signed the fedipact yet mine isn't listed there, at least it says "blocked".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does one "move" to a different instance? Or do I have to make a new account and start over?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You create a new account on a new instance and then you export your subscriptions and settings from your old Lemmy server to your new ones, you lose your comment history but that doesn’t really matter on Lemmy like your post history does on Masto

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was thinking about joining one that's federated with them. I'd get a look at the normal side of the internet, what's going on there without having to join I forgot what's it called.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Nah that is a positive for them as they will harvest the data on that server, so that is a no for me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In don't think we should federate either but most of that data is public anyway. Everything on mastodon and lemmy can be scraped without being federated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There is just no way that they will not get more data if you are involved directly with them.

If for nothing else we know they have had meetings with server owners across lemmy and mastodon and also meta have historically provided resources in the hopes of capturing a market. It is not that farfetched that they would have to provide funding when they federate with servers because their userbase is so huge and that could be detrimental to the freedom associated with lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't mind the threads integration much actually.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah I don't understand the issue.

People want the fediverse to grow, so FB entering it is a good thing no? Otherwise realistically the fediverse will likely stagnate and always just take up a tiny bit of space.

The more people involved the better. Sometimes I feel this group just wants to shoot themselves in the foot.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I DON'T want the fediverse to grow if that growth is full of extremists, hate groups, porn bots, etc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

But the fediverse already has that lol. I've had arguments here with extremists many times.

You won't just magically cure it by stopping FB from federating. Putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes doesn't make it go away.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy already is full of extremists and hate groups. Perhaps you mean you don't want hate groups you don't agree with?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Even if this is somehow true (no clue who you federated with, man), we're talking a community abt 80 times the size of the fediverse whose owner does not care and will not do anything other than dump its worst upon us.

Even if they aren't planning EEE, they might just be trying to rid of the fediverse by filling it with junk.

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[–] rambaroo 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The issue is that Meta's intention is to extinguish the fediverse, not to add to it. I can't believe people are still falling for this tactic.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was kind of hoping the hysteria would be over by now. Walled gardens are a bad thing, I'm pleased when holes are poked in them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

"Hysteria", that's one way to belittle people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah if threads integration means that i could interact with my friends threads posts with mastodon account i don't mind it. it's not like they are gonna use mastodon. maybe there might be a chance that people on threads might visit mastodon once they are fed up with spams on threads.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The chance is higher that threads will add some features mastodon doesn't support and then people will leave mastodon for threads.

embrace extend extinguish

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Fuck letting the Zuckin billionaire into this party! Build your own shit communities with your own shitty user base

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll miss my cozy little Lemmy...

The upsides are apparent for the platform, but there's no denying that change will be inevitable for all of us, whether some instances choose to defederate or not.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What your Lemmy feed looks like is 90% up to you. Subscribe to things that you find interesting and block what you don't want to see.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a great solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shouldn't exist? Why? Ofcourse it exists and it's not even a problem. People just are different and have different interests. It's up to the individual to choose what they want to pay attention to and what not.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I have to guess you are too young to know the lengthy and detailed history of the anti-consumer and anti-privacy activities of Facebook/Meta over the past decades. (And if you aren't, you haven't been paying attention)

There is no corporate entity in the tech space that I can think of that has so thoroughly proven time and time again that they will bend or break every rule if it makes more dollars for them. (I say this despite the existence of Microsoft.) Their users are literally nothing but statistics and a data/income stream for them. It's not (mostly) about who uses Threads, it's about Meta. If the fediverse can be fucked over and enshittified (and it most certainly can), Meta will be the one to figure out how, and do it.

There is NO upside to federation with Threads. Zero. The only entity it benefits is Meta.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not at all what I'm talking about.

There's a reason you can subscribe to commmunities you're interested in and block the ones you're not. It's so that you can curate your feed to reflect your personal interests which vary between individuals.

When it comes to what you're talking about; you're free to block threads.net instance yourself or you can choose an instance that does it for you. They're getting access to your your lemmy content either way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

you can choose an instance that does it for you.

Already done.

They’re getting access to your your lemmy content either way.

That's not an argument for cooperating with them.

That’s not at all what I’m talking about.

But it's what matters, and it is what the person you originally replied to was talking about. (Edit- it's not what they were talking about, I thought you'd replied to a different comment. The rest of my point stands.)

Whether I personally see Threads stuff does not relate to whether Meta can and will create an inflection point that distorts the fediverse into something different than it is today. Nothing in their history points in any direction OTHER than - we'll all be making another exodus at some point, to get away from them and companies like them.

Edit: I say again - literally no upside to federating with Threads for anyone except Meta.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is NO upside to federation with Threads. Zero.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. I don't think it will affect Lemmy at all, since it's a different type of posts. But in terms of Mastodon, it means a whole lot more content for Mastodon users, and a whole lot more people to follow. And also means that people can move to Mastodon while still having the audience that Threads provides.

Of course if you think that the downsides are worse than the upsides, then that doesn't really matter. But don't say there are NO upsides.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

With about a thousand new daily sign ups to mastodon it feels like it is going back to its rapid degrowth that it has been on before the Twitter debacle.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Fuck Zuckerberg!!

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