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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not really infinite until the crop rotation glitch

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If everyone gets away with the crafting glitch and goes too far with it, the waste generated severely affects the crop glitch on a global server level. And if nothing is done about the runaway crafting glitch, it can make the server unliveable

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That will only happen if a few chronically online players get together to use their resources to manipulate the playerbase. If that happens the game will die, but certain players just don't care about anything but themselves.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The player base will eventually react in unpredictable ways once they realize there is no respawn in the game

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

there is no respawn in the game

Oh, so now you tell me!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Pfft just live in truly fertile region bro. Or invent green revolution.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not that infinite without a way to refresh protein, such as mining ammonia, eventually you run out of soil resources and crash. It's got a hard limit, so to speak.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

urine is a fantastic nitrogen fertilizer

bonemeal for phosphorus

wood-ash for potassium.

Probably not concentrated enough to work on an industrial scale, but probably on smaller communal farms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah if you turn people who die into fertilizer and process all of their excrement you can probably sustain the fields they eat from. Can't argue with that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd actually be totally fine with this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I want to become del monte corn after I die, unironically.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nobody said anything about using dead people as fertiliser?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I did, what is the source of your confusion?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And that's why we have been dumping our and our livestock's shit there for thousands of years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

That alone is still not infinite. When you eat food you're taking the nutrients that you need out of it and excreting what is left. So even if all of your shit went directly to manure then you're still putting in less than you took out.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

The energy input is the sun, and most of the calories come from the air (carbon dioxide). Given so much external input, harvesting from a plot without reducing soil fertility is totally possible. With nitrogen-fixing crops (soybeans being the poster child), even the nitrogen fertilizer comes from the air.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Legumes like lentils capture air nitrogen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was wondering, do Orchids do this, too? They have "air roots" and basically subsist off zero substrate.

According to this article

Like other epiphyte orchids, the roots of Phalaenopsis roots are covered with a spongy epidural tissue called “velamen.” Just a few cells thick, velamen helps orchid roots absorb water and nitrogen from the air.

It's probably my favorite plant. Hardy as hell despite a bad reputation for being picky. People don't realize they just go dormant until Spring.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At between 20 to 300 lbs per acre, yes. Generally most legumes will need 60 lbs per acre, so most will be self sufficient in ideal weather.

For 60 bushel per acre soybeans still require fertilizing with monoammonium and diammonium phosphates, as well as ammonium acetate, and to go beyond 70 bushels consistently supposedly does require supplemental nitrogen although this has yet to be recreated in studies.

So, you still need to mine ammonia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So how did these plants exists before mineral fertilizers?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And what about the ~700 million years before cows existed?

[–] person420 4 points 1 year ago

They did exist (or some form of it), just not in quantities that could feed billions of people.

Most of the plants we eat today are products of selective breeding to make them more palatable and easier to mass produce.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In the yield size we see, they didn't. That's the point. Food crops cannot sustain the current human population. Before humans came along an area had a variety of plants which did not have their stalks and fruit systematically harvested and transported elsewhere. They grew in the ground and their produce would rot where it landed, enriching the soil.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think "Food crops cannot sustain the current human population" is the most accurate. I think adding on an "indefinitely" or something similar would be more accurate. The problem is that there's plenty more land and resources that could go to crops, but it's more of a problem of how sustainable it is long term.

Topsoil erosion could outpace soil conservation especially with synthetic fertilizer, but if people aren't getting food now or in our lifetime then it's not caused by an inability to grow enough crops. It's caused by companies being driven by the profit motive. It's more profitable to let food go to waste than get it to people who can't afford it.

Currently the technology is there to make more than enough crops for everyone, but how sustainable that is in the long term is not something that has been a priority. If more effort is put into making factory farming actually sustainable, which is the way things are starting to go although pretty gradually, then the only thing stopping people from getting food is the incentive to destroy/ let it rot rather than take any potential loss from not artificially inflating prices

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree with that. In Western countries typically half to two thirds of agricultural land are used for meat and dairy production. We have plenty of food available to sustain the current or even growing populations without depending on mineral fertilizers. Farming techniques have significantly evolved over the past two hundred years and the crop yield of an intelligently managed field without mineral fertilizers is not signficantly lower than what is achieved by conventional farming. With the added difference that conventional farming is actively destroying the soil and killing the insects that are vital to maintaining agriculture.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Modern industrial farming is not sustainable for the next hundred years, no, but there are a lot of levers to work to transform it into something that will reliably feed future generations.

One lever is amount and kind of meat in the average diet. It takes something like seven pounds of grain to make one pound of beef. Modern chicken breeds are amazingly efficient at converting feed grain to chicken meat, but even they are something like two pounds in to one pound out. Reducing the percent of meat in our diets would make our food go significantly further.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Bacteria take it out of the atmosphere slowly. It's a certain rate per land, and due to the coastline paradox we know that the area of land is infinite.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Hunter-Gatherers HATE him!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bro ill dupe your food,
just send it all to me, ill give you double back next crop cycle i swear

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Dupe still working!?! I thought it got patched.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real hard to pull off, gotta have easy access to water and bugs fuck your shit up when you least expect it

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Relevant Mitchell and Webb

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I like my corn submissive and breedable

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Most of us don’t want to till fields and milk cows, and we’d rather trade things like iPhones with people who are cool with shovelling cow shit.

I know, that’s surprising. We’ve only been trading like that for a few hundred thousand years. Fucking millennials.

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