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UN Security Council passes resolution calling for an "immediate ceasefire" in Gaza, as US shifts position by abstaining from vote

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So the months of coordinated efforts to by activists to disrupt Democratic meetings, harass Democratic politicians, chant genocide Joe, vote uncommitted in primaries, block traffic, support BDS efforts etc. was actually an effective method of protest that had a small but meaningful effect in changing foreign policy?

The methods of protest the state wants us to think are successful and the methods that can actually succeed are usually not the same. Please take note.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And will they reward Biden for listening or reinforce the idea that there's no point trying to please the progressive left by finding some other reason to get upset and not vote?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

I think there's two sides to this. Criticizers shouldn't suddenly fall in line because we've made progress, but they also shouldn't pretend that nothing's happened.

The right answer is to give credit to Biden for listening this much, and continue to push for more. I agree though that overall, this action should earn him more progressive votes -- just not all of them, and not with all criticism disappearing.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a flip side to the politics: criticism from the right-wing pro-Israel faction is quieter than usual because a separate group of anti-semites have gained power in the Republican party.

Normally, Biden wouldn't have much incentive listen much to the far left, but right now he's not paying much in costs from the other side.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Normally Biden wouldn't have much incentive to listen to millions of his voters during an election year?

DC brainrot has entered the chat.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, he really doesn't, because of winner takes all elections and the two party system. The Nash equilibrium is for both major party candidates to align their platforms right on the 50% median voter. This maximizes the votes for both of them.

In this specific upcoming general election, Biden's base voters have nowhere to go to except the Cheeto fascist. Not much reason to cater to their policy preferences--they don't have a real choice. That's been reflected in the chatter on Lemmy as well.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everyone who ridiculed the Uncommitted movement is real quiet now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most people I saw on here were critical of being uncommitted towards the general election and don't care about being uncommitted during the primary. Several states don't even hold a primary for the party if they are currently holding office.

To add to that, they mostly agreed that Trump would tell Israel to finish the job, and they were right, that is what he ended up saying. Voting against Biden would in fact doom Gaza to genocide.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The anti-left hasn't gone quiet, just shifting tactics and terminology.

Note how casually "progressive" is being used negatively, and not just here.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But what about the Hamas that's hiding behind all the Humans, and not to mention the beheaded babies. Isn't it a bit too early for a ceasefire, since Israel hasn't gotten its vengeance?

Oh wait... it's elections year. Got it!

/s obviously

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

UN source: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147931

The UN Security Council on Monday passed a resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan, the immediate and unconditional release of hostages and "the urgent need to expand the flow" of aid into Gaza. There were 14 votes in favour with the United States abstaining.

Timeline of discussion in link.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

So the ceasefire is only for two weeks. No wonder the US abstained.

Edit: the ceasefire is for the rest of Ramadan, the rest of Ramadan is about two weeks.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Great. Has Hamas released the hostages yet?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Has Israel stopped colonizing Palestine?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You should ask your nearest Hamas representative that question: Benjamin Netanyahu

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The United States actually let it happen. This would've been a hard veto otherwise.

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