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In the 2010s, my neighbor asked me to fix their iPad because i was technically literate. I noticed it had a EoL date and it was fast approaching. I realized that iPads were just bigger iPhones. And Chromebooks were also getting popular.
I then realized we were all fucked.
We have all this "disposable" tech that only have a window of about 3-4 years before it breaks down. Even with open-source and boot loading, there's just so much garbage and it'll only continue to grow.
We should also force all these tech companies to take in any e-waste (batteries, cables, usb drives, hard drives, plastic containers, anything) and dispose of it properly.
dispose of it properly
Ship it to the Philippines and the container mysteriously vanishes mid transit?
Every product should have a clear EOL path, most preferably a recyclable one. Indeed it should be on manufacturers shoulders to enable it and on legislation to require it.
Man wouldn't it be nice to have responsible governments?
.. shove it up their CEO's ass?
and dispose of it properly
Introducing i-Landfill™!
Think different!®
Tech is becoming more difficult to repair as well. Had a phone that somehow got its WiFi broken. Did everything I could do software wise, so I concluded it was something with the hardware.
Asked a repair shop what they could do. Well they could replace the entire board with CPU and everything, but that’s going to cost about the same as buying a new phone. The choice was easy.
Framework is a great company, but I'm a bit torn on Fairphone. Not sure if I like where their company is going.
EDIT: Because some people asked for clarification about Fairphone, here are my (very subjective) thoughts:
I think the idea behind Fairphone is great, and I think more phone manufacturers should take a few hints about repairability and sustainability from them.
That said, their software is just okay, missing a lot of QoL features that are found with other manufacturers. Also, I've seen reports of pretty gnarly bugs after OS updates, but I can't verify those personally.
Their customer service sucks, according to a lot of people. And as someone with experience in both industries (mostly customer support) I can tell you that those things usually speak for a lackluster management.
Also, small nitpick: I really wish they'd kept a headphone jack on their newest phone.
So yeah, as I said, mostly very subjective. But hey, no one said that liking or not liking something can only be for objective reasons.
Bullshit. I have an iPad from 2011 still in use, Macbook from 2012 still fine running Debian, etc.
I understand that if you're tech incompetent you need to throw shit out after 2 years, but don't blame the rest of us for the amount of trash you produce.
Edit: Funny how people downvote someone else for their own dumb actions. You're all consumers, and bad ones at it apparently.
True to a degree but you can do similar things with thinkpads and keep them longer. The company can always extend lifetime by enabling repairability and upgradeability. But this goes against their profit since they then can’t sell a new product every two years. The consumer shouldn’t have to find ways around planned obsolescence and feel superior if they manage to solve this puzzle.
You gave an example where it is possible to install linux and only basic functionality is required, but what do you think happens with almost all mobile devices?
When it is not possible to change OS/ROM, or they are old, there is no alternative... apart from being stuck with an obsolete OS and apps full of known bugs. Or are you "competent" enough to develop everything yourself?
If you can do the same shit with solar panels or cars or whatever device that has a proprietary bootloader or glued together, then you can climb back on to your high horse.
I've been toying with an idea that the government should keep track of purchases (voluntarily and anonymously) and they should have minimum guaranteed. So if your freezer only last 10 years then the government can see this, or you can see this on the website and the manufacturer has to repair it or refund it fully. Different products have different guarantees
That would sort out shit products pretty quick.
The issue is holding that capital for insurance, especially for new companies (like seriously this is a potential dealbreaker problem) but it might have the added benefit that shite from China can't get insurance and can't be sold, only local products can, or products from the west.
Secondly the price of recycling should be included in the upfront cost and the government should provide free recycling. Or it is 150% of recycling cost and the consumer gets the 50% back when they recycle rather than throwing it in a river.
They should really mandate open firmware and bootloaders, and even spec sheets, etc. for deprecated hardware.
But muh "trade secrets" and "security"
And lawmakers don't even know what a bootloader is.
Just another byproduct of enshittification. Novadays, a top-end Garmin watch lasts about as long as a Chinese watch of a brand with random characters you buy off Amazon. Google is introducing planned obsolesence in Fitbit. Banking apps are beginning to require phones that are no more than 4 years old. TVs get bricked with firmware upgrades. So, consumers are trained to buy cheapest, least reliable electronics, because over time they'll provide more value than top-end items which used to last much longer. (This was written on a 13 years old phone. I may not have access to my banking app anymore, but otherwise it works for everything I need, and I haven't contributed to e-waste in this regard. Not that the pollution angle was my reason to keep the phone, but it's a nice extra bonus.)
I can guarantee this user is not using an iPhone from 2011 - the iPhone 4s went to shit after the first few years of updates
Samsung Galaxy S2. With a replaceable battery and good external cover, that thing can last for a long time. I did contribute to e-waste by replacing the battery three times so far, but that's all.
I can guarantee that any Android phone with a good modding community can last this much. He's probably using Samsung galaxy s series or those old Google Nexus phone.
My phone's official support stopped at Android 10 yet I'm currently running Android 14 with the help of custom rom.
Hello! Not sure if the screenshot will attach to this comment but I was able to successfully log into Lemmy and I'm replying to your comment from my iPhone 4s.
With all of this being said and done, I do agree that OP is not likely to be using an iPhone. An Android phone from this period is way more usable than this iPhone even with all the hacks I've done to it.
About a month ago my neighbor left a nice looking TV out by the trash for bulk item pickup with a note saying, "not sure if this works, but free if you want it." Cosmetically the unit looked to be in good shape, but sure enough when I bring it inside to test, none of the HDMI ports would pick up a signal. I tried different HDMI cables and devices to double check. All of the TV menus would work and there was static on the cable channel, so I knew the pixels themselves were fine. I opened the unit up to find 3 separate circutboards inside, a main board (with the HDMI ports soldered on), a power board, and I think a timing board or something like that (forget the acronym I came across researching). Well I decided to roll the dice and replace the main board with a $130 purchase for a replacement, took about 30 minutes to swap out. Sure enough with a new main board the TV, HDMI units and all, worked perfectly. Now I'm up a 60" Sharp AQUOS TV (~$1500 new) for the price of the replacement board. More importantly, the satisfaction of plugging in an HDMI and seeing a signal come through was priceless. Support right to repair, we have an obligation to preserving and reusing the resources we have access to.
Have you ever had a Logitech mouse start to act funny with the left click? Maybe it double clicks when you know you've single clicked, or you click and drag and it doesn't? Yeah it's probably the microswitch. I've got a little herd of M570's, after a few years they all start doing that, so I pop them open, it's like 4 or 5 screws hidden under the little rubber feet and one in the battery compartment, desolder the switch, solder on a new one, and it's back to working like new.
I've had a guy arguing with me that that's not worth it.
I had a random orbital sander stop working. So many people these days would say "It's a $99 tool, I'll just throw it away and buy a new one." I took mine apart and cleaned the dust out of it. Running like brand new.
Why are people so afraid of fixing things?
Why are people so afraid of fixing things?
There’s a lot of answers to that question.
Device/tool repair is typically not taught in schools, and from my perspective seems far less likely to be taught at home than it was in previous generations.
Most people have substantially less free time than in previous decades. Sure, some things only take 10-30 minutes to repair, but learning how to make the repair is often a significant time investment.
Devices and tools are intentionally designed to be less reparable, if only to cut costs (e.g. using glue instead of screws). Less obvious repairs take more time to learn.
Lastly, a lot of people never learned how to do any of this; they just took their broken stuff down to a VCR repair. Repair shops nearly don’t exist anymore, and the ones that do charge a substantial sum to repair modern devices. It’s often more financially prudent to buy a new laptop than it is to replace the screen of a four-year-old one, for example.
I think the mouse repair issue needs to be fixed. It's criminal that they're not user serviceable with replacement parts.
A switch or battery going bad should not require a brand new mouse.
Wish I had your neighbors. Mine almost always smash their stuff before dumping in the bin so no one else can use it.
Although a few things have creeped through. My current desktop is a AMD something or other, 4Ghz, 32GB Ram, 500GB ssd and all I had to do was get an IO shield and replace some fans.
Because it’s a PITA to recycle e-waste, at least where I live in the US. My municipality charges extra to drop off e-waste, and they only have a few days a year where they have dropoff at the local transfer center to get rid of e-waste.
Hope you have the day off and the cash to pay to get rid of whatever it is.
As long as Ghana isn't full, we Westerners can keep consuming waste happily.
I mean, what is the value of a Ghanaian child compared to having to use a phone for 10 years with a third battery replacement?
the solution here is simple. we just stop recycling altogether. 5 times 0 is 0.
Yet they're still able to put those stupid fucking recycling labels on their products as if it's recycled.
Not sure which one you mean but I have a feeling it's a lot like the resin identification code where it looks like the recycling symbol but isn't. It's to make you think it can be recycled so you don't feel as bad about buying it and throwing it away.
I emailed MSI support to get a new hinge for my F key. They repeatedly told me the entire keyboard needed to be replaced. After several days of back and forth, and me assuring the support person that, no I just need the key hinge, and that yes, they could just send me the hinge and I could fix it myself, they relented.
Took 30 seconds and didn't mean that a perfectly good keyboard be trashed.
Maybe if everything wasn't designed to be unrepairable and fragile as fuck this wouldn't be an issue.
So the state should build up more recycling capacity, subsidize it.
Properly disposing of any product should be baked into the purchase price. If you wanna buy cheap plastic shit then you should pay for society to get rid of it when you're done with it. But that makes way too much sense so it will never happen.
"Come on guys, solar panels don't make that much waste. Besides, it's renewable!"
"Nuclear Fission is dangerous, we shouldn't make more power plants, invest in things like solar!"
Don't mind me, just waving my tiny "I was right" flag as we drown in our own hubris.
How are we even supposed to know what's right anymore? Am I supposed to vote for the solar or the nuclear fanatics? I just wanna save the fucking climate, what should I do?
Edit: I'm sorry if this isn't phrased clearly, but what I mean to say is "solar fanatics or nuclear fanatics", implying that I feel right in the middle between the to and just want to make the right choice. People are arguing loudly from both sides.
Nuclear, preferably fusion works out and energy becomes a non-issue. But nothing else we have can beat the reliability, energy density and power-to-emissions ratio of nuclear.
I'm very sick of hearing about nuclear from Reddit/lemmy. If it was a realistic, affordable solution we'd be doing it. But it's not. It just seems like it is to the layman.
There's a reason the market and governments went all in on renewables and it isn't just paranoia about nuclear accidents. Building a nuclear plant takes ten years minimum and it's incredibly expensive, and has a lower margin for profit. In that amount of time governments/companies can build tens of thousands of renewable energy stations.
The issue of waste from solar is real, but the fact is even with that waste it's done far more to reduce emissions than nuclear ever has or ever could.
If it was a realistic, affordable solution we’d be doing it.
No, if it wasn't lobbied against and fearmongered by oil and coal, public sentiment would support it and funding would go along with it. If you think it's cheaper to throw massive solar panels into every open field and that we'd get anywhere approaching the energy a nuclear power plant could produce then you've lost the plot.
it isn’t just paranoia about nuclear accidents.
Yes it is.
Building a nuclear plant takes ten years minimum and it’s incredibly expensive,
The energy output offsets the cost faster than alternatives and if we started ten years ago we'd have them by now. Not starting right now because you think it's too late is the reason they weren't built a decade ago. Some kind of fuckin reverse sunk cost fallacy with you people. Also, ten years minimum? Some have been built in three years.
The issue of waste from solar is real, but the fact is even with that waste it’s done far more to reduce emissions than nuclear ever has or ever could.
Dumbest shit you've said in this post so I'm glad you left it till last. Since 1971 Nuclear Power is estimated to have prevented 64 trillion gigatons of carbon emissions. To put it into perspective, that's the amount the United States would generate if we powered ourselves completely with coal for 35 years. The positive climate impact of nuclear is so incomprehensibly superior to renewables that your stance against it isn't just stupid - it's costing lives.
Well, the 'nuclear fanatics' are probably the best bet for actually saving the climate. The energy to waste ratio makes renewable energy look like a squirt gun compared to a fire hose. Even including the nuclear disasters of Chernobyl and Fukushima, renewable energy is more dangerous to human life.
If you care to learn in video format, Kyle Hill has done an invaluable service illustrating very important things about nuclear energy.
