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Way easier than having them wear an armband.
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That's brutal because it's so fitting. Well played.
So, hot take here: preface this with saying I absolutely condemn the surveillance by Israel here.
But I think it's wrong to judge a nation by what they've gone through themselves, with an attitude of " they should know better". Just because the Holocaust happened, doesn't mean that Israel has better morales or values, or that they would never do such things themselves. Humans are humans. With the wrong people in power, horrible things happen.
It's perfectly reasonable and necessary to argue that Israel is currently violating human right laws. We should keep doing that.
It is not reasonable to keep pointing at the holocaust and nazi germany as a stick of " look, you became the thing you suffered under", unless in a context of learning from history. "You should know better" creates unreasonable expectations where some nations ought to have higher morales somehow.
Edit: I ment condemn, not condone. Apologies
So, hot take here: preface this with saying I absolutely condone the surveillance by Israel here.
I think you mean condemn.
It is not reasonable to keep pointing at the holocaust and nazi germany as a stick of " look, you became the thing you suffered under", unless in a context of learning from history.
I mean when a country does Nazi things usually other countries point out that that's Nazism. It's not something unique to Israel (see: Trump's rhetoric being compared to Hitler's); it's just that Israel's philosophy shares a lot with Nazism so the similarity is pointed out a lot.
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We are not comparing their governing or how they structure theur legislative system we are comparing the open air camps, tight restrictions and indiscriminate murder. I think it is perfectly fair to compare them to nazis, for one there isnt many comparisons they have left themselves with - this is the company they are in now.
I can't condone mass surveillance of a population that have been subjugated, harrassed, violently targetted, stolen from and currently going through a genocide and enforced famine. But that is just me.
I absolutely condone the surveillance by Israel here.
This seems... incongruent with the rest of your comment.
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Israel is the type of control-heavy far-right state other dictators wish they could govern, and it's made possible by Western money and technology (I was going to name just the US but my country of Canada, among others, is not blameless either). This news also sucks because there's no way that tech is staying in Israel only. Citizens of the world better brace for convictions via AI facial recognition.
"Our computer model was able to reconstruct this image of the defendant nearly perfectly. It got the hands wrong and one eye is off-center, but otherwise that's clearly them committing the crime."
It's true... far right dictators love this shit:
From what I remember, AI facial recognition tech was already being used by police and agencies worldwide, like the FBI, PRC police etc, or am I misinformed? I remember something about Chinese and American facial recognition software.
I had not read anything like that but a quick search pulled up this story from last September by Wired that supports your post: FBI Agents Are Using Face Recognition Without Proper Training. "Yet only 5 percent of the 200 agents with access to the technology have taken the bureau’s three-day training course on how to use it, a report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) this month reveals." So it sounds like you're right, and also that they are probably inadequately trained even if they complete all 3 days on how to identify people with legal ramifications.
And I wonder how many of those 95% have already used misapplied AI facial recognition to justify FISA court warrants for ~~stalking~~ investigating ~~random people~~ suspected terrorists?
It will be in Israel soon too. Netanyahu is using this genocide to cement a dictatorship by claiming it's all necessary to fight the war, but it's not really believed that he'll take his special war powers away from himself once it's over. He's already tried to destroy the judiciary. Make no mistake, genocide is not the only way he's taking pages out of Hitler's playbook.
And thanks to the us in the states he is being well to do so. We need make it clear that we want all aid to Israel to stop. No more weapons or money.
Biden is in a real bind, because he needs the pro-Israel vote too. It's a tightrope walk. I don't think he's handled it well at all, but I can see why they haven't totally cut off Israel.
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While the US and the USSR scrambled for Nazi scientists post WWII for their Air and Space programs, it seems that Israel was grabbing a different kind of Nazi for consorting work.
Photoprism on default settings merged like 5 people into one because it was all trained on a predominant NA population.
Google photos has had similar results even with tuning the algorithm.
So best case they throw innocent people in jail without trial and worst case they just continue to shoot innocent people anyway.
I see that the deadline for skynet in 2029 is more realistic every day
This is all sorts of fucked up and wrong but lets face it... it's far from the worst thing happening in Gaza right now.
True, but:
1-It helps them find "terrorists" to blow up, and
2-This isn't going away. Even after this "war" ends what remains of Gaza will be perpetually under surveillance (more than they already are). Even if the war ends today, Gaza just became even more of an open-air concentration camp.
I would be amazed if Gaza still exists when this war is over.
Don't be silly. Of course it will. Some cleaning up, ethnic cleansing and rebuilding and there'll be Gaza Beach, Gaza Hills and many more high value neighborhoods for non-muslims to live in.
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The west is supporting Israel commit genocide in Gaza so that they will acquire better battleground tested surveillance technology.
Without their consent? How could they. Of course everywhere else police use face recognition with consent, right? Right??
Imagine if it was Apartheid South Africa, or Nazi Germany doing this. Do you see the problem now?
I don't think you understood their point: this shit is done by police everywhere, and nobody's asking for consent there either. A lot of this tech gets developed by Israel and then bought by police forces across the world. Palestinians are guinea pigs for all the latest policing and surveillance tech.
I understood it, and what I'm trying to say is: Unlike in most places, this technology isn't going to be used even ostensibly to maintain law and order; it's gonna be used for genocide. Again, think of the FBI and the Wehrmacht using the same technology. Both are bad, but one is clearly a lot worse. That's why this is cause for concern.
If they want genocide, what do they need the face recognition for?
Genocide doesn't mean wiping them all out, but that aside it's so they can enforce their reign of terror in the meantime. And because they later sell these technologies as "battle-tested".
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The US uses facial recognition when I enter into the country. Wonder if it's the same tech.
Israel is using it to track terrorists and blow them up. Hopefully they make quick work of it. That's probably how they spotted some of the 10/7 crew they've rounded up.
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