OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has it. The Fedora 40 beta has it. Its just a result of being bleeding edge. Arch doesn't have exclusive rights to that.
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Incorrect: the backdoored version was originally discovered by a Debian sid user on their system, and it presumably worked. On arch it's questionable since they don't link sshd with liblzma (although some say some kind of a cross-contamination may be possible via a patch used to support some systemd thingy, and systemd uses liblzma). Also, probably the rolling opensuse, and mb Ubuntu. Also nixos-unstalbe, but it doesn't pass the argv[0] requirements and also doesn't link liblzma. Also, fedora.
Sid was that dickhead in Toystory that broke the toys.
If you're running debian sid and not expecting it to be a buggy insecure mess, then you're doing debian wrong.
Fedora and debian was affected in beta/dev branch only, unlike arch
Unlike arch that has no "stable". Yap, sure; idk what it was supposed to mean, tho.
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most stable
How the hell is arch more stable than Debian?
i think itβs a matter of perspective. if iβm deploying some containers or servers on a system that has well defined dependencies then i think Debian wins in a stability argument.
for me, iβm installing a bunch of experimental or bleeding edge stuff that is hard to manage in even a non LTS Debian system. i donβt need my CUDA drivers to be battle tested, and i donβt want to add a bunch of sketchy links to APT because i want to install a nightly version of neovim with my package manager. Arch makes that stuff simple, reliable, and stable, at least in comparison.
"Stable" doesn't mean "doesn't crash", it means "low frequency of changes". Debian only makes changing updates every few years, and you can wait a few more years before even taking those changes without losing security support while Arch makes changing updates pretty much every time a package you have installed does.
In no way is Arch more stable than Debian (other than maybe Debian Unstable/Sid, but even then it's likely a bit of a wash)
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Just Arch users being delusional. Every recent thread that had Arch mentioned in the comments has some variation of "Arch is the most stable distro" or "Stable distros have more issues than Arch".
Old does not mean stable
It literally does though. Stable doesn't mean bug free. It means unchanging. That's what the term "stable distro" actually means. That the software isn't being updated except for security patches. When people say stable distro, that is what they are trying to communicate. That means the software will be old. That's what stable actually means.
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In my experience they're the same from a reliability standpoint. Stuff on Arch will break for no reason after an update. Stuff on Debian will break for no reason after an update. It's just as difficult to solve reliability problems on both.
Because Debian isn't a rolling release you will often run into issues where a bug got fixed in a future version of whatever program it is but not the one that's available in the repository. Try using yt-dlp on any stable Debian installation and it won't work for example.
Arch isn't without its issues. Half of the good stuff is on the AUR, and fuck the AUR. Stuff only installs without issues half the time. Good luck installing stuff that needs like 13+ other AUR packages as dependencies because non of that shit can be installed automatically. On other distros,all that stuff can be installed automatically and easily with a single command.
I use Arch btw.
You can get yay for an AUR package manager, but it's generally not recommended because it means blindly trusting the build scripts for community packages that have no real oversight. You're typically advised to check the build script for every AUR package you install.
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I thought Arch was the only rolling distro that doesn't have the backdoor. Its sshd is not linked with liblzma, and even if it were, they compile xz directly from git so they wouldn't have gotten the backdoor anyway.
TBF they only switched to building from git after they were notified of the backdoor yesterday. Prior to that, the source tarball was used.
liblzma is the problem. sshd is just the first thing they found that it is attacking. liblzma is used by firefox and many other critical packages.
Arch does not directly link openssh to liblzma, and thus this attack vector is not possible. You can confirm this by issuing the following command:
ldd "$(command -v sshd)"
Yes, this sshd attack vector isn't possible. However, they haven't decomposed the exploit and we don't know the extent of the attack. The reporter of the issue just scratched the surface. If you are using Arch, you should run pacman right now to downgrade.
They actually have an upgrade fix for it, at least for the known parts of it. Doing a standard system upgrade will replace the xz package with one with the known backdoor removed.
If you are using Arch, you should run pacman right now to downgrade.
No, just update. It's already fixed. Thats the point of rolling release.
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Interestingly, looking at Gentoo's package, they have both the github and tukaani.org URLs listed:
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/blob/master/app-arch/xz-utils/xz-utils-5.6.1.ebuild#L28
From what I understand, those wouldn't be the same tarball, and might have thrown an error.
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It is not entirely clear either this exploit can affect other parts of the system. This is one those things you need to take extremely seriously
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Arch is not vulnerable to this attack vector. Fedora Rawhide, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and Debian Testing are.
Arch has already updated XZ by relying on the source code repository itself instead of the tarballs that did have the manipulations in them.
It's not ideal since we still rely on a potentially *otherwise* compromised piece of code still but it's a quick and effective workaround without massive technical trouble for the issue at hand.
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There are no known reports of those versions being incorporated into any production releases for major Linux distributions, but both Red Hat and Debian reported that recently published beta releases used at least one of the backdoored versions [...] A stable release of Arch Linux is also affected. That distribution, however, isn't used in production systems.
Ouch
Also,
Arch is the most stable
Are you high?
I think the confusion comes from the meaning of stable. In software there are two relevant meanings:
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Unchanging, or changing the least possible amount.
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Not crashing / requiring intervention to keep running.
Debian, for example, focuses on #1, with the assumption that #2 will follow. And it generally does, until you have to update and the changes are truly massive and the upgrade is brittle, or you have to run software with newer requirements and your hacks to get it working are brittle.
Arch, for example, instead focuses on the second definition, by attempting to ensure that every change, while frequent, is small, with a handful of notable exceptions.
Honestly, both strategies work well. I've had debian systems running for 15 years and Arch systems running for 12+ years (and that limitation is really only due to the system I run Arch on, rather than their update strategy.
It really depends on the user's needs and maintenance frequency.
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A stable release of Arch Linux is
not a thing.
Ars uses AI now?
Bro WTF. How about you actually read up on the backdoor before slandering Arch. The backdoor DOES NOT affect Arch.
It has the freshest packages, ahead of all distros
Let me introduce you to Nixpkgs. Its packages are "fresher" than Arch's by a large margin. Even on stable channels.
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what even is xz?
Very common compression utility for LZMA (.xz file)
Similar to .gzip, .zip, etc.
It's definitely common, but zstd is gaining on it since in a lot of cases it can produce similarly-sized compressed files but it's quicker to decompress them. There's still some cases where xz is better than zstd, but not very many.
People doesn't even know what ~~a rootkit~~ XZ is, why should they care? -Sony CEO probably
Arch users are really just cannon fodder against supply chain attacks.
We're the front line dog. Strike me down so Debian Stable's legacy may live on.
I just did: "rm -rf xz"
pacman -Syu
find / -name "*xz*" | sort | grep -e '\.xz$' | xargs -o -n1 rm -i
pacman -Qqn | pacman -S -
(and please, absolutely don't run above as root. Just don't.) I carefully answered to retain any root owned files and my backups, despite knowing the backdoor wasn't included in the culprit package. This system has now "un-trusted" status, meaning I'll clean re-install the OS, once the full analysis of the backdoor payload is available.
Edit: I also booted the "untrusted" system without physical access to the web, no gui, and installed the fixed package transferred to it locally. (that system is also going to be dd if=/dev/zero'd)
void doesnt have it :3
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