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[–] [email protected] 182 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 years ago (4 children)

its really funny to me how they unironically did that during the apology video today with the screwdriver

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] [email protected] 176 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

“After this brutal belittling, gaslighting, and sexual harassment, you’re gonna have a lot of baggage. And the best way to carry it? The LTT backpack!”

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Comes with trust me bro warranty (aka no warranty)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And a trust me bro guarantee that no employees were harassed in the designing or making of this product

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 years ago (2 children)

From what Madison said it sounds like it goes far too deep for this to change much. I hope things get better (since it's unlikely LTT just up and disappears immediately), but from what we've seen this culture of dismissal goes right to the top.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I honestly believe that Linus is a well intentioned dumbass. He likes his people and believes that everyone can just get along and that nobody would harass another employee seriously. He knows that the mistakes are just honest mistakes which is why he gets so defensive, take the whole "trust me bro" thing... I think it never occurred to him to fuck his customers over which is why he didnt handle it well.

He doesnt believe his employees need a union because I dont know about you but if I owned a company Id hope that my people felt looked after well enough that they didnt feel like they needed one either.

But that kind of attitude just doesnt work with so damn many people, he should have hired a full time HR manager YEARS ago, as well as the company lawyer on staff. He SHOULD NOT be doing the WAN show, or if he does it should be on a 5 minute tape delay with someone from legal and hr present.

The reason why so much bullshit corporate structure exists is to largely protect the company from itself.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You only have to watch him interacting with his staff in a few videos and you can see that the bullying comes right from the top. That's not something that's going to change easily.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The whole "Trust me bro" thing comes from when they released their backpacks. They had issues with some of the zippers and people wanted to know what the warranty was. Linus said they didnt explicitly have one but that he would look after anyone with issues. When people got a bit rightly pissed about this, he got a bit defensive. "Trust me bro" sprung up as a meme out of that whole saga.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (6 children)

If you've seen enough wan show you can get a pretty good idea of his personality. He spouts so many controversial takes without thinking through the consequences, so he's doing a terrible job if he's actually an evil mastermind. Most people are well intentioned and Linus is no different.

He's also naïve, arrogant, and defensive, as we've seen lately.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Sounds like they need to totally overhaul HR and give them real power to action to whatever complaints are coming in. A lot of management will have to go in order to change the culture. Unfortunately culture starts at the top and I’m not sure Linus himself can lead that change.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is good they are taking public steps to change their corporate culture, but it is clear they had a top down culture of not taking harassment seriously. Hate to share a reddit link, but this video: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15t1mzn/mandatory_meeting_the_after_madisons_departure/ purports to be from when Madison left. The language here is not the language of a corporate culture that takes harassment seriously. Especially since James didn't get immediately corrected.

If they want to win back the viewers (and likely sponsors) they are losing or have lost because of all of this toxicity, they are going to have to continue to publicly show they are committed to improving not only their culture to move away from a harassment friendly, grindset focused content farm, to one worth our time (and sponsor dollars).

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I guess I’m kinda naive. “You gonna dance on that table, or just stand on it?” doesn’t sound like a sex joke to me, but that’s what people are calling it.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think its more the implication that Linus looked like stripper on the table. But I appreciate that could be a stretch. I'm more concerned by a) instructing people to go directly to the person harassing them with no managerial oversight first, b) implying harassment complaints are drama, c) suggesting that its not their job to resolve harassment complaints by down playing them as "interpersonal problems" and d) intentionally or unintentionally suggesting that if you have a problem you are going against the fun environment, which instantly puts a harassment victim in an us vs them environment.

I'm coming at this from a lawyer perspective, as I am a lawyer (albeit not an employment or harassment lawyer) and I've witnessed first hand how harassment and discriminated employees are not respected by management. I've seen how that impacts people's mental health and how, especially for younger women, it creates a toxic cycle where it can be extremely difficult to leave because you've internalized the harassing and discriminatory experience to the point of thinking "well, who else will hire me? I can't just get another job."

I realize if you have not experienced that or witnessed that, its hard to understand how a toxic environment can lead to that mindset. So hearing someone joking around in an emergency all company meeting may not immediately seem problematic. But when the subject of the meeting is harassment, and a high ranking manager just jokes around like its not a big deal, and that joke is tacitly approved of by the executive level (where there isn't immediate correction), it all strikes me as a corporate culture that doesn't respect the seriousness of harassment.

I'm also biased as my office literally just had our annual harassment training yesterday.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If I Google "table dancing" (in a fresh new browser I just installed on incognito mode with a VPN and everything + I never watch porn or search this stuff or anything, so it's not just customizing it to be sexual for me - I encourage you to try this yourself) the first result in the Wikipedia article about it, which reads:

A table dance, or bartop dance, is a dance performed at (or on) a table or bar, as opposed to on a stage. It may be an erotic dance performed by a sex worker or it may be done as a leisure activity.

As you keep scrolling down, the next thing it shows is images of erotic dancers table dancing, the next thing is a list of nearby strip clubs, the next result is the dictionary.com entry for table dancing which reads:

a form of entertainment in which naked or scantily dressed women dance erotically at the tables of individual members of the audience, who must remain seated

The next result is videos of erotic dancers table dancing. And so on, and so on.

So, yeah, there's definitely, without a doubt, a strong sexual/erotic connotation/connection to the term and the joke they made.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gonna take one fucking amazing d-brand wrap to make this shit look good.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

D-brand could make a LTT screwdriver wrap so that people can cover the logo, instead of dremelling it off.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Mfers talking like they were out in Europe totally unaware of what the US branch had been doing all this time, like what! Also what’s with the third person, who else is there with you calling the shots?

It was you. You were there and you knew from day one. Lots of allegations were directed at you, specifically. What is happening.

🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People wanted PR responses, people get PR responses

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

And LMG would be stupid to say or release anything else on that topic! This is potential lawsuit country, they will walk very carefully and I would be surpised if they didn't check every public communication with their lawyer first.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh look your pr and legal team wrote some words that no one gives a fuck about

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (5 children)

That sanitized corpspeak just sticks out like a sore thumb, right? It takes deliberate, continuous effort not to start zoning out as soon as I hear it.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Corporate speak sucks, but it's 100x better than Linus digging an ever deeper hole for himself at this time. Dude and his wife just need to take a backseat for a while and let pros fix their shit

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I disagree. Linus shooting from the hip and making himself look an even bigger ass is incredibly entertaining.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People have been saying constantly that they need to stop having linus respond and instead of proper PR sanitised responses.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course? Did anyone expect something else? And frankly they would be extremely stupid if they did anything they didn't check with their lawyer first.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

Corpo-speak doesn’t mean shit. Actions do.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Any chance on some context on this for someone who doesn't follow tech closely enough? I know who Linus is, and what LTT is, and I've seen a lot of stuff these past few days about the community being angry at them for all sorts of stuff, but who is Madison? And what did they allege?

Edit: Never mind, only had to scroll two posts in my feed to find the answer. For others out of the loop: ex LTT employee Madison Reeve alleges toxic work environment and sexual harassment.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If they had made a statement like this proactively years ago, I maybe would believe it. But now after the years of rumored toxic workplace conditions this just seems like an attempt to calm their fans lol

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

Plot twist: the "quick, decisive action" will be to tell them to shut the fuck up or get fired.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Sounds pretty empty to me! We already know how he really feels. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3ogQ7sakAAhnCB?format=png&name=large

It feels like this year is the beginning of a reckoning for a lot of bullshit. Why give our time and money to bloated corporations when they pull the same shit again and again?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

You know, it's wild that poorly reviewing a GPU cooler can lead to stuff like this coming out.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

On one hand the corpo speak annoys me bit on the other would we really want another Linus statment?

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