Azal

I mean... through the 18-24 area, I pretty much ate every meal alone.

Still do at 38.

The base of true MAGA believers isn't that big, but those that vote R no matter who is on the ticket is FAR larger when you live in the midwest or the south.

The only reason Missouri has anyone in congress that's not a Republican is because of cities... and if they could figure out how to get rid of them, they'd do the same. And I know the commentary will come up on gerrymandering, but when it comes to state level elections there isn't the gerrymandering problem and yet people still vote Republican overwhelmingly in the state.

And there it is. In my own state I keep hearing how medicaid cuts will get people to see the light, no it fucking won't. These people are so deep in the cult they won't get out no matter how much they're fucked.

I mean, yes, but no, it's actually worse.

On the federal level, yes, that's exactly in the case. But the Missouri AG was not put in by the fed, instead elected by the state, who also elected any other fuckwit with an (R) next to their name, despite going after the very bills that the state voted on saying we didn't know what we're voting for.

Our state is filled with a bunch of fuckwits who keep voting for progressive policies across the whole state, yet can't vote for anyone that doesn't have an (R) next to their name and are consistently shocked when their ballot measures get pulled.

Yea, when I moved up here, KC called Kansas "Brownbeckistan" then he got pulled and now Kansas is the "Progressive" state over Missouri...

And that's with y'all having a veto-proof Republican majority in the legislative branch... holy hell.

God our AG is a fuckwit.

I live in Missouri.

Not gonna argue with you.

It is.

Why do you think they're trying to make one legal and the other not?

100% with you on that one. I'm told that I need to be considerate to them when they start learning the errors of their ways because then they might be allies.

Fuck that. I've lived in red states all my life, they hurt and they "turn over a new leaf" for a second, then the second a Democrat has the gall to help them out of the hole they scream communist then go running to the person worse than the last.

I'm done, I'll help those around me that I can to try to cut down the suffering... but if they voted for this or stayed home, they can rot for all I care.

Yup, look at the overwhelming support citizens have for the Affordable Care Act... but haaaaaaaaaaaate Obamacare.

Understandable and I admit I kinda went off. If you don't know much on US history, you're in the same position of many MANY people in the US South.

Before the current Trump situation, there was the statues being taken down and people crying about destroying history... there were 24 states that put up Confederate statues, many of them during the fight for Civil Rights for the black citizens. Only 11 states seceded.

One of the biggest arguments the South loves to portray is "States Rights" IE: The south seceded not because of slavery but overreach of the Federal Government. The trouble with this theory is (beyond 7 states declarations of secession directly saying it was about slavery) that Fugitive Slave Acts where the southern states forced abolitionist states to allow bounty hunters to come in and round up "escaped property" (slaves that escaped)... which they weren't exactly too picky, so many who were born free in abolitionist states got enslaved. When looking at ICE and the attitude on sanctuary cities... history has an unfortunate attitude of rhyming, just as the Republicans like to scream States Rights but they're loving the lever of the federal government to crack down. But also on the states rights, the CSA constitution itself

Article 1 Sec. 9 (4)

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

Article IV Sec2 (1)

The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.

(3)

The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

There's a reason why one of the constant responses is "A states right to what?" because their federal government in fact denied states rights to outlaw slavery.

The other myth I brought up is the "War of Northern Aggression", it's really just plain and on the tin, the Union was the aggressors in the war. Thing is the slave holders were trying to rapidly take over non-state territories to get them in the union to make them slave states to try to outnumber the abolitionist states, this is how Texas formed (when they stole the land from Mexico) and they tried to do it in formation of Kansas... but that got to a point called "Bleeding Kansas." Look up John Brown, that alone is a wild story. Well Lincoln got elected and they panicked that he would stop expansion of slavery... he was famous on not even trying to end slavery, whatever he could do to keep the union together. The biggest thing was he wasn't going to invade southern states nor end slavery where it was at BUT would use force to maintain possession of federal property that the CSA seized, basically the forts, mints, and customhouses, the rest he was pretty much let them have it, outright even saying if there was no ability for peaceful enforcement of federal law they'd pull US marshals and judges out of those states. Lincoln tried to negotiate with the states. So of course the confederates attacked the Union-held Fort Sumter in South Carolina, then cried "why are we being attacked, we did nothing wrong" for the next 160 years.

So that last part where I was talking about the myths where they cry themselves the victims is the Lost Cause myth that the southerners have adopted for the past century. It's a combination of above with a doctrine that was summed up well by traitor Clement Evans

If we cannot justify the South in the act of Secession, we will go down in History solely as a brave, impulsive but rash people who attempted in an illegal manner to overthrow the Union of our Country.

This comes down to a six part mindset they preach.

1. Secession wasn't about slavery, it was constitutional (this is important for them to argue when being called traitors)
2. Slavery is a positive good and the slaves were happy in their positions
3. The Confederacy was only defeated because of the North's number advantage in people resources. This is where the "Lost Cause" comes in.
4. The Confederate soldier is to be seen as heroic, knightly, honorable.
5. Robert E Lee. Since you don't know much about US history, that name is more famous than many of our presidents because he was a southern general that the south worships more than Jesus.
6. Southern women supported the cause and sacrificed more than the men.

If you live in the South, it's actually super easy to believe these things because it is inundated in the culture. You cannot avoid it. You grow up hearing "It's heritage, not hate" a lot by people who carry the "confederate flag" (which is revisionism too because the longest running national flags of the CSA either looked too close to the US flag which lead to their own people shooting at each other, or the "stainless banner" which they changed months before they surrendered because hilariously it being a white flag looked like a flag of surrender) and the worst part is, many of the people believe it because the history isn't taught well. I mean for fucks sake it's illegal in Texas to teach the truth about the Alamo that it was a part of a bunch of slave traders stealing land from Mexico, but instead it's the inspirational rally cry "Remember the Alamo!" The parts that made it shaky on the whole Lost Cause myth if you looked at it too hard was the combination of the constant push for the Southern States to figure out a new way to get Jim Crow laws back in, and hearing a constant "The South will rise again" growing up.

But the reason I reacted as harshly as I did, is growing up before we've hit this boiling point of Trump This was a common sight and that particular march was about removing it from the state house in South Carolina. I don't have a better analogy, because there is only one flag to a country that lost that really signifies it... this would be the equivalent of a march of like flags in modern day Germany because one of their national buildings was being ordered to take down the swastika flag that it flies daily.