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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Youre being played, and letting people die because of it.

Even the worse claims say that the "repression" is over, and have never included mass murder, so I dont know what you're on about.

I guess I should ask, why do you have faith in US affiliated media reporting on this, considering that the US has a vested interest in destabilizing China, and obviously cares very little for the lives of Muslims?

Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Those countries also have economic and otherwise incentive to agree with the world hegemon, the US.

The anglophone corporate media that is pushing out the atrocity propaganda (well, was, China reopening put a real damper on their stories) also has financial incentive to produce propaganda about the main rival of the US.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

These countries probably care more about the religious freedom of Muslims then the US though, which loves killing Muslims and has killed millions of muslim civilians in recent history in their own "war on terror"

Also literally 30 countries sent delegations

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

https://muslimmirror.com/eng/islamic-delegation-visiting-chinas-xinjiang-region-says-all-is-well-here/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220810-diplomats-from-30-muslim-countries-visited-chinas-xinjiang-region/amp/

Literally a bunch of muslim delegations from governments that don't like each other all went to investigate and found all was well.

I am guessing you did not actually trying asking them, I am guessing you read some atrocity propaganda from a corporate newspaper whos owner is terrified of the implications of socialist China.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

It’s an authoritarian state led by a dictator.

I dont know how you could say that out of any place but ignorance? If they are a dictatorship, they are putting on a massive act of civic democratic engagement, and if they were, there would be leaks because you can not keep something like that secret when the scale is a country of 1.4 billion people.

They have a different style of democracy which prioritizes a different set of rights over western bourgeois democracy.

I would encourage you to try to talk to Chinese people about their government without putting assumptions into your questions or asking leading questions. Actual Chinese people, who live in China. Thanks to the internet this is very easily done.

I would also encourage you to research how Chinese theorists have looked at making stronger democratic mechanisms, and to generally learn the differences between proletarian and bourgeois democracy.

95 percent of Chinese people are satisfied with their government https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Biden also said covid was over. I dont think it is reasonable to trust Biden.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah, the new York times, known for its journalistic integrity, inspiring such onion headlines as

"It Is Journalism’s Sacred Duty To Endanger The Lives Of As Many Trans People As Possible"

https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997

Also well known for being on the right side of history/s https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iraq-war-media-fail-matt-taibbi-812230/amp/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You claimed socialists shouldn't try to tear down some of the best systems in the world, I said that none of us are going after Cuba.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago

Is this how you generally respond to banter?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Less embarrassing than defending authoritarian colonialist empires.

Cuba? Vietnam? Laos? All these countries are firmly marxist leninist. I'd also like your definition of colonialist if you think that the USSR did colonial extractivism, or China for that matter given how often Africa prefers their loans (and how often they are forgiven instead of being exploited by debt bondage like the IMF does)

Look, capitalism, etc. are awful, but that doesn’t excuse defending authoritarian regimes.

Socialist countries generally have more robust democracies than the global North does. Look at the democratic process that it took to get Cuba's new family code on the ballot. Watch some of the Vietnamese assembly sessions.

It is perfectly possible improve the lives of everyone without atrocities, and defending the people who commit those atrocities severely damages efforts to actually improve society.

I dont defend the atrocities committed(except against actual nazi soldiers and others who carried out the holocaust, that was cool and good), I just defend the projects as they have been a net good for the world and given plenty of lessons to be learned from.

Socialist states commit less atrocities than capitalism ever will because under socialism, atrocities are failures of the system that can be avoided. Under capitalism, atrocities are a normal part of the way systems operate. Accumulation by dispossession is an integral and continuous aspect of capitalism, as is poverty caused by the necessity of a desperate surplus army of labor. To compare them to Nazis, which committed even more atrocities than normal capitalist states, is disingenuous and carries water for Nazis.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

I believe you missed the joke.

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