TherapyGary

anyone opposed to Trump

Just to be extra clear, myself and OOP oppose Trump. I don't think you meant it that way, but I wanted to be clear

If you didn't want an argument, [this] was not a strategic move

Yeah that's what I'm saying, I made a mistake lol

Also, I don't think OOP was saying it's deceptive, though I might argue there's some self-deception going on under the hood. I know 'cognitive dissonance' gets thrown around a lot as a buzz word but, as a therapist, it really does look like that

It sounds like my edit in the post body may have come across with a sarcastic or pompous tone, but I really did mean it genuinely

I agree with you, I just didn't intend to come here to argue lol. Tbh I normally just block people with your opinion, but it is nice to have discussions like this every now and then, and have my positions challenged

Absolutely false. Try again. We started this conversation by me addressing this exact point. If I explain clearly what I mean, and you decide that I am "avoiding admitting" some different thing, then there's not a lot of point to us talking to each other.

trying to make sure at least the first guy is in charge while we're dealing with the rest of the problem, get painted as "rationalizing" or "beating around the bush" about some kind of secret love for serial-killing that must be at heart of their reaction to the whole situation.

I never implied some secret love. It is blatant support though. You can't choose either of those options and pretend you didn't make a calculated decision for evil. The "lesser of two evils" thing necessarily implies that you are supporting evil. You're trying so hard to talk around it, but it is what it is.

Not at all what I meant to say with that. I barely participate in .ml spaces, and I think the censorship there is whack. I legitimately made a mistake posting this here, is all. It's like posting something offensive to queer people on blahaj, or posting a tankie-dunk on .ml. It's just not appropriate

This is a terrible analogy. I get that it conveys your feelings about it, but that's it.

For a better analogy:

A badguy tells you to kill someone else, or they'll kill you and your family, and also probably someone else too. Your choice, I assume, would be the utilitarian one- to kill someone else. This is the so-called "logical" answer to the trolley problem folks love to bring up with this topic, because less deaths = good, and the 'someone else' was probably gonna die either way.

The field of philosophy that discusses these questions, however, is vast, and there is no one correct answer. You and I happen to have different opinions on ethics.

I would argue that refusing to kill someone doesn't make you responsible for the badguy's actions. I also wouldn't argue that people who kill the stranger are bad people- they just made what they thought was the best decision. I just disagree that that's the best decision, and can't justify doing the same myself.

You folks, however, seem to beat around the bush about it to avoid admitting what you did. You decided that the continued genocide of Palestinians was worth it to keep Trump out of office. That's valid- that was the only choice you felt you had. You don't need to rationalize it away.

It's disrespectful to both me and yourself to not be upfront with yourself about that.

I declare blocked!

I said get blocked. Please block yourself from me so I don't have to see you anymore

You're talking to people that want to continue rationalizing their tacit, frequently racist support for genocide"

this is not happening

You're in complete agreement that that's not happening?

How am I left with anything but to assume that means you don't believe Biden was actively supporting genocide?

Oh, I see

Um... So you are the kind of person OOP was talking about?

Thanks for sharing; I get your perspective now. I don't think this comment was about people like you, though. People enjoy boiling things down into a single statement, and it can be hard not to take offense when you're swept up in an over generalization. I assume you don't identify with what varyk is saying elsewhere in the comments here? Because that's the kind of person I think OOP is talking about.

This is not happening

The justification here is that voting for a genocider is an endorsement of the genocide

Trump is worse

Yeah duh. This goes without saying

Voting stuff

I'm queer and disabled- like second on the chopping block for Trump- and I put my own safety aside in defense of Palestinians by refusing to vote for anyone who intended to have them murdered (Both Harris and Trump)

.ml stuff

I'm not a .ml stan- I didn't post this here for that part

other rude nonsense

Your comment is rudey rude rude and you're pretty rude