drunkpostdisaster

I guess so.

no saving it in the western world*

By it I mean how the idf is used and it's place in the Palestinian and Israeli conflict.

And by nice normal counties I mean counties that don't have recruiters at high schools, that don't do the pledge of allegiance very day at school, that don't hit you over the head with how brave and great their military is and provide free healthcare an college to non military members.

Again I agree. But I feel like we are simpling it to much. And I kind of feel like people are not making those distinctions. And it's kind of galling to hear it from nice normal countries that dont have to deal with all this.

Agreed. But it sure does not feel like people here want to make that distinction.

There needs to be some kind of push to take back a lot of symbols from them. There is no reason Norse symbols should still be associated with the worst people ever. There is no saving the swastika however.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO9lDR---4

Maybe? Isreal would still have the better weapon platforms then its regional neighbors and i think will more likely use a nuke in a situation like that if it feels desperate enough.

The people filming it would be the absolute worst of them or maybe the IDF only uses the most absolute sociopaths for their combat roles. The dude cleaning floors or whatever to avoid going to prison should not be held in the same regard as the dude executing children.

I agree. But we also need to look at the lies they are told and how pervasive those lies are recruiters are basically child groomers. Very few people join because they think they are going to get to kill civilians.

Then we should be thinking hard about how these countries recruit. I am not saying defend the war criminals, but if you want to fight them you have to see how they work.

Look at all these countries that fought the nazis long ago and how they became more and more fascist afterward. you would think they would be smarter then this, but it is clear all the wrong lessons have been learned.

I would to a degree. I was alive when the 'war on terror' started, the recruiting starts at childhood and you can join at 17 that is no where near enough to make an entirely informed choice like that. And in the US if you are poor and want to go to college or get healthcare you really do not have many other options.

Hamas and the taliban are absolutly evil organizations. But if your country is being occupied and they are the only ones you seem to be fighting back then what do you do?