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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There was a California primary in 2024.

  • Biden won 3,207,687 votes
  • Williamson won 146,356 votes

Other candidates included

  • Eban Cambridge
  • Gabriel Cornejo
  • Stephen P Lyons
  • Armando "Mando" Perez-Serrato
  • Dean Phillips
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I was signed up for mail in voting, and never got a primary ballot in 2020. Got one in 2024 but of course there wasn't a presidential primary option.

Also how many votes did Bernie get, cause we had tons of Bernie voters here in 2016 and 2020

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe you didn't see the presidential primary on your ballot? If not you should have gotten another ballot, because millions of other Californians voted in the presidential primary.

And Sanders wasn't running in 2024. He is not required to run in order to hold a primary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

There wasn't a presidential primary in 2024, I thought we were talking about 2020, when there was one that the DNC called early because of the pandemic. As far as I can tell there wasn't a primary in CA in 2020 because despite being on the register, and signed up for mail in voting, I never got a ballot. Didn't follow up due to pandemic.

If those are 2024 vote totals, then they were made up, because we didn't have a presidential primary. I got that ballot.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

I don't know what you're talking about. I already linked the results of the 2024 California primary.

And of course there was also a California primary in 2020. Not only that, Sanders won.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

What county are you in? Because I'm in central Cali, and I'm pretty sure I voted for Dean Phillips in the primary.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

who did the california delegates go to?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, we're onto the moving of the goalposts! At least we're admitting/agreeing that the primary did, in fact, take place.

It's right there in the Wikipedia link:

Senator Bernie Sanders won the highly desired primary, which bore the most delegates of the entire primary cycle by far, improving on his polling average by 3% and winning 36% of the vote and 225 delegates.[1] Former vice president Joe Biden, however, aided by among others the endorsements of Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar, also had a much stronger second-place finish than expected and took 28% of the vote and 172 delegates

Further down in the same link

The 415 pledged delegates to the 2020 Democratic National Convention were allocated proportionally on the basis of the results of the primary.

And then if we go and look over here at how the delegates voted for the convention, we can see that Bernie received all those pledged delegates' votes and a few more. Some mixture of superdelegates and delegates who were pledged to some other candidate who dropped out, but Biden picked up more of those. Now, before you treat that as an "Aha! See! They cheated Bernie!" I'll remind you that Bernie dropped out in April and the delegates voted 4 months later in August. So even though he dropped out he still received more delegate votes than his popular vote in the primary warranted him. And you might be interested to know pretty much no candidate ever has won the general election after a contested convention, so the smart play for the general was for the I pledged and superdelegates to present a united front in support of the nominee.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

pretty much no candidate ever has won the general election after a contested convention, so the smart play for the general was for the I pledged and superdelegates to present a united front in support of the nominee.

and give a big "fuck you" to anyone who wanted meaningful change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How would conceding the 2020 election to Trump have brought about more meaningful [progressive] change than what we had with Biden? The progressive candidates and voters need to stick with it. The Tea Party took enough of the Republican party through their primaries to turn into MAGA. We can do the same, we just have to stick with it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Indeed, you did not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But there was a primary. Correct?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not that I can tell. Especially since none of those names are Sanders, and despite being signed up, I wasn't allowed to vote.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As you just said in another comment, you opted out of electing a political party preference, which is the same thing as opting out of voting in the primaries.

This is a decision you made, don't misrepresent it. I don't complain when I can't see in a dark room because I didn't want to turn the light on.