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Why don't you ever try and actually meet the other side in good faith?
Opponents of voter ID have a very simple line of argumentation, and very clear issues that would need to be solved. Why do you think proponents of voter ID never attempt to solve these issues?
Why do proponents always insist that voter ID has to be implemented in a way that happens to hurt minority voters disproportionately?
Look at Spain. We have been using our IDs for decades and it's a great way to solve that problem. You just go to the voting table, show your ID (DNI) and vote. That's it. And it works for everything related to anything official.
But because of the voting system we don't have gerrymandering (or at least not that much).
That works great for Spain (and most other countries) because it has a compulsory national ID. This doesn't exist in the US, so introducing such laws shouldn't be done before easy access to such an ID exists for everyone.
In the US case it should be a federal ID. With a 6 or 7 letters ID should be more than enough. And compulsory at 13 y.o. You can drive, you have an ID.
Yep, that would be a good solution. Yet conservatives never advocate for this.
You first
Like?
You don't name them or they're aren't an actual issue
They don't
No, I won't allow you to disadvantage minorities, no matter how often you ask.
You've literally never listened to anyone opposing your view? Or why are you asking me?
No, I think you're a bad faith troll and won't invest more time than strictly necessary. If you're not a bad faith troll, it's literally one search away!
You literally started your comment doing exactly this
I won't allow you to stereotype minorities as people incapable of doing things, especially something as easy as getting an ID.
I do it everyday, you just don't have an answer
Should be easy for you to name them then
I literally never said anything about that. Literally
Strawman racist bullshit, disguised as uplifting affirmation of equality. Tell us you don't see color while you're at it.
I did the same thing they did. Why don't you tell us how you *acknowledge your white privilege *
I try to acknowledge my white privilege by voting for politicians and laws that attempt to mitigate that privilege, by extending it as widely as possible, to as many people as possible.
Your unexamined privilege is demonstrated in claiming things like satisfying voter ID laws is easy when it is not for many, for a variety of profound and serious reasons.
Yeah that's not surprising
Oh, it's a bad faith troll, what a surprise, who could have seen it coming, oh no
I just responded the same way you did
If you really think that, I'll give you one last chance. I'll explain why your response to my serious points was wrong. You can explain properly why you disagree, without resorting to strawmans or insults or anything. Deal?
My position is: minorities will be disproportionately affected by voter ID laws, since it's on average objectively harder for a poor person to get an ID (due to transportation, scheduling due to possibly multiple jobs etc.), and minorities are disproportionately poor. You could mitigate this disproportionate effect by first ensuring easy and equal access to ID for all citizens. Even if you disagree on any of these points, you should at least be able to accept that you can get what you want if you give me what I want, and giving me what I want doesn't hurt you in any way.
So, why do you still ask me to make the first move? Why can't you see that you're blocking yourself from getting what you want here?
Here's my first issue. Earlier you said
I never believed that and you just admitted this was a lie.
You use minorities as a shield to call people you disagree with racist. Then you just say I'm not racist there for I'm right. Except not all minorities are poor and there's more poor white people.
How about this idea. You call or email the DMV or wherever you get an id, they give you a pass for whatever public transit to the DMV. Easy enough?
I'm not blocking anything, we have voter ID where I live
No, that's not how this works. I explained my position in the comment you replied to. Reply to that position, not any snippy answers I've made before. You want to be serious? Take me seriously and reply to my actual points.
I didn't read further than you quoting my earlier statement, so feel free to take another shot if you're serious.
Edit: I made the mistake and read one line further.
No, I didn't admit anything to be a lie. We said no strawmans!
I already went over this. If I wanted to suppress minorities why would I suppress a lot more white people. Why wouldn't I suppress all minorities? Why would I care how much money they have?
The biggest and most obvious is that ID isn't available to literally everyone who can legally vote without cost to the end user of any kind, and as a consequence requiring such an ID is tantamount to a poll tax. Federal ID that's fully subsidized would be the easiest solution, and if done right you could even optionally fold most state ID systems into a federal one with things like being licensed to drive being an endorsement on the federal ID.
Notably, the same people who demand photo ID to vote also tend to be the people terrified of a federal ID as a concept.
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