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This is rather an unfavorable reading of their position. And to nail down them being unelectable to this position, is very reductive in an environment where we have: fascists at 20%, rather turned rightward conservatives at 30%, geriatric and corrupt "socdems" at like 15, and libbed up greens also at roughly 15%. All of these are for various reasons also unelectable largely more unelectable. Weighing a further destruction of the economy, and a further rightward shift, up against an idealistic maybe naive position on foreign politics I mean come on.
The actual read of their NATO position btw. Is closer to the the EU is already a military alliance with strength, and the US (+five eyes) is an unreliable/ imperialistic partner against which the EU should also strengthen itself. Largely they see Russia as worse(or at least equally bad) for the moment, but maybe not forever. Which is what the comment above is likely alluding to.
Pretty standard socialist FP positions for Europe I'd say. If you don't get why NATO might be bad maybe brush up on Afghanistan and Iraq.
Also their FP is not going to matter this election apart from being a check to the governments position, even if they were to somehow end up in one.
There is also the enviornement where we have fascists invading Europe and they need to be stopped now. The AfD won't get into power this election, so there is 4 more years to sort them out.
Right. Not sure what this "destruction of the economy" but anyway, the foreign politics aspect is massivly more important. "maybe naive". That an understatement.
I'm well aware. But it's honestly irrelevant. Right now we need NATO for European security and a party that can't see that is either in Putin's pocket or incompetently naive.
You sure? Because the actual actual read of their NATO position is that they want it disbanded and replaced wih an security alliance the includes Russia.
"Wir fordern die Auflösung der NATO und ihre Ersetzung durch ein kollektives Sicherheitssystem unter Beteiligung Russlands, das Abrüstung als ein zentrales Ziel hat."
soruce: https://www.die-linke.de/partei/programm/ (under 4.6).
Don't get me wrong, I'd I love to vote the greens in two weeks (Habeck's Ukraine position has been solid), but only if there is no chance of red/red/green (which looks good so far).
Have you been in germany this last week, have you read any of the news from there ? are you Naive about the CDUs position ? How come that this can still be the excuse ? Have you lived under CDU nothingness for most of the last 25 years? And the afd imo. only is this big because of fear of economic downturn from it's voterbase + the constant fearmongering now taken up by CDU and SPD as well as to a lesser extent Grüne.
With destruction of the economy I mean continuation of the neolib Status quo which has existed more or less unchanged for my entire life. Under all the parties except for afd and linke mind you. Which has and is continuing to make life here economically relatively hard. Sure not as bad as some place else but this is not an EU election it's for this place.
If you just look at a party Program without listening to the politicians when they actually explain it sure yes that is the position. Do you believe party programs will be policy word for word? If you don't we can go back to my little paragraph which is from recent communication from the party heads. Also not perfect sure but much less (self) reductive.
They haven't been for 2+ years now don't kid yourself that they can be stopped in the way you'd like (total ukrainian victory plus short timeline is a pipedream). So tell me why I should not vote for my self interest economically, but instead vote for this idealistic, and with cheeto deals increasingly hollow, ukrainian victory.
And if there is a chance of RRG your already threatening (with the Ukraine thing still being like 90+% solid), to throw any chance of progress for anyone that doesn't already have it all away, fucking beautifully compassionate.
Honestly the kind of blindness to the status quos failings displayed by people along your lines is the reason I'm going to vote linke, so that there's at least someone to call out the shenanigans when they go down in the Bundestag, in our oh so infallible Democracy.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Deutschen_Zentrumspartei
Just for a little reminder why one might be pissed of at people threatening to vote CDU of all things in this environment.