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Second highest voter turn out for a presidential election in US history.
Clearly its the voters fault.....
Also why in the broken nation is the assumption that if more people showed up they would have voted like you? I never got this concept. Please spend more effort being an opposition/resistance and less being poor losers.
Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 didn't show up to vote for Harris in 2024.
Trump's numbers barely changed at all between the two.
Yes, and that does not imply what the democrats think it does.
It doesn't imply anything, it's a fact that Voters chose fascism and now they're facing the consequences.
Yes, we all are. I am just sick of this pretending they did not.
And I can't say that I blame them. Biden's presidency... or his campaign... or Harris' campaign...
It was a shit-show all the way through. Maybe next time the Democrats should try catering to their voter base.
"I know fascism is bad, but I understand allowing it - I mean, look how uninspired the other option was!"
Yeah, this is exactly why we're in this position.
14 Million primary voters picked Biden in 2024.
He won the primary, as has every incumbent for many many decades.
We failed them, not the other way around.
What primary? The democrats did everything they could to shut down primaries. From refusing to run other candidates to outright cancelling votes.
I literally just told you the 2024 primaries. Are you an AI?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
There were 7 states holding their primary before Super Tuesday where Biden won 15 states all at once. Some states he won with a margin over 90%.
Oh yeah and what a race. The competition sure was... breathing. Probably.
Same as any other incumbent race.
Ok but you still can't act like Biden winning the primary meant that he was actually the best person for the job. Being more popular than a couple of nobodies is hardly an accomplishment.
Oh yeah it was a real primary with real candidates. I mean the second place guy "Uncommitted" nearly had it in the bag....
Lack of candidates is hardly a fault. What did you expect, Jill Stein?
A rigged primary, where the voters weren't really given a choice. Voters were very vocal that they didn't want him to run again, and the leadership openly ignored them. Next time, maybe the leadership should listen to the base that they claim they represent.
If he was winning primaries with 90% then clearly voters weren't vocal about that at all. The vocals ones we saw in media didn't properly represent the voters.
But when statistics showed Kamala Harris had a better chance at victory, he did drop out and gave his ticket, that he won fairly in a Primary Election, to her, his vice president.
Voters were saying it very loudly, the Democratic leadership just ignored them. Polls were very clear that nobody wanted either of them to run, and they both had a low approval ratings. The ticket wasn't his to give, it was up to the voters. The Democrats chose to skip the voters, so the voters abandoned them.
I don't see why anyone would expect voters to stick with a party that treats it's base so disrespectfully.
Polls? I've got the ultimate form of poll for you. A primary election, which he won.
And how did that work out? Did people come out to vote for the Dems?
Maybe if they had listened to the polls, the Dems would have had a candidate that people were willing to vote for in the main election
They listened to their voters. It was a primary election. Not sure what the disconnect is here unless its your fantasy disconnected with reality.
The disconnect is obvious to me, but to spell it out: They were terrible candidates that the majority of General Election voters didn't want. Those voters made that quite clear before the primaries, and were ignored. Then the Primary Election voters got behind the bad choice anyway.
But General Election voters had already abandoned the Democrats, and rightfully so. The Primary Vote was only among those that were willing to vote for whatever terrible candidates the DNC pushed on them.
I'm a consequential, so by saying this you're just admitting to being a conservative cuck and a Trump supporter as a consequence of your actions.
I'm not sure what a "consequential" is, but I'm not a Trump supporter, nor am I a conservative. I proudly voted against him.
Your actions support Trump. Your words promote him.
Dems will do anything to not accept responsibility for fumbling 12 years in office since 2000.
I hate the us government as much as the next invasion target, but this stupid tribalism has gotten out of hand. Was this the inevitable result of a two party system (a joke pretending to be a democracy)? Maybe, but the very idea that I am expected to "pick a side" even as a outsider and that once I do half of the us will write me off is laughable.
America, you did this. Stop trying to make it someone else's fault.
If we are to assume that there was voting suppression, do something about it!
If we are to assume that there was voting fraud, do something about it!
If we are to assume that the majority of americans did not want the current administration, then do something about it!
This should be a no brainier if you have the majority of americans against this then you should have the will and ability to do something about it.
But you clearly don't have the majority of your nations people behind you in this, most likely don't care enough (a side effect of that two party system) or and this might shock you, that the majority of americans are really just that awful and want to watch the free world burn.
It is pathetic that among high voter suppression (due to Republican motions) the Democrats blame the people for not voting, instead of blaming voter suppression, or any of the other decades worth of inaction by Democrats to foresee and prepare for this. They have a two party system, it's not like the Republicans were a complete surprise
Its just wild looking into this from outside. If the election was rigged, then it would have fallen on the party that was in power at the time to manage right? Well what side of the two party system was in then? After so many years watching the US ratchet more and more into crazy town I just can not understand how people can not put blame on one half of what is no longer a democracy (maybe a Diarchy?).
Then there is the assumption that if more people showed up to vote the results would change. This seems to make the assumption that the democrats are the default choice (even if the lesser evil, making the concept of choice a joke) and that the people who are clearly angry, burnt out and did not think they mattered would not want to see the world burn.
Well, then they can see the world burn. Surely there's no reason to complain - this is what they wanted.
I don't think they are the ones complaining, yet.
Second highest by sheer number, eighth by percent of voting eligible population.
From your source:
Why did you cut out the VEP? The very next column....
it stands for Voting Eligible Population by the way.
Edit, for those not willing to click a link here is the picture not cut off:
Notice how there are 3 measurements of voter turn out? Two of which show this to have been the second highest turn out? Now does this show a larger then there should be level of disenfranchisement? Yes, so fix that!
I cut off the VEP because I mistook the voting age population for the voting eligible population and now that you pointed that out (thank you by the way) I’m looking into why there’s such a difference between those two numbers.
Its people that have lost the right/ability to vote. Most likely due to the terrible american for profit prison system.
It’s also a metric that isn’t included with the numbers before 1984 which makes it difficult to use as a comparison.
It was not included before it was invented, it was also not needed as the level of voter disenfranchisement was not yet an issue. It is now the standard metric (since you guys have so many people that are barred from voting).
In the chart I originally posted see how six of the eight don’t have VEP?
Explains why when you use it, it goes from eighth to second.
It only does that if you sort by VAP, and that metric just does not hold up when an estimated 4.4 million adults can not vote. But these are all issues that neither party cared to address for the last 40 years so I don't think anyone can claim the high horse.
If you look at the the 1960 (JFK vs Nixon) then maybe if they had VEP then it could have been another barn burner to compare.
Your first source shows over twenty million.
It also shows 94% of the VAP are VEP in 1980 vs 92% in 2024 so I don’t think using VAP as a metric to include twenty-four elections instead of twelve with VEP is unreasonable.
That is a trend that is not good. It shows more people losing the ability to vote. I would say something needs to be done, but like I said, its been 40 years of both parties not doing anything about it. And now? Not even sure if you will have another election this free.
Voter turnout being high is great for non-republicans.