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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/26284554

By Syma Mohammed
Published date: 20 February 2025 21:44 GMT

Alex Tyrrell, party leader of the Green Party of Quebec, who accompanied Engler to the police station on Thursday, spoke to the Middle East Eye about Engler’s arrest.

“I think it’s a shocking attack on free expression and democratic rights and criticism of Israel in Canada - a country that’s supposed to be a free, democratic society. We’re supposed to speak out about a genocide," Tyrrel told MEE.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

How is it a clear criteria? You haven't defined what you mean by intolerance

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

From one of my previous comments in this exact conversation:

A tolerant society is one in which all tolerant people can exist freely and without oppression. The intolerant are those that would seek to exclude tolerant people from the protections of that society.

In other words, we don't defend the right of Nazis to be Nazis because ultimately their goal is to strip rights and freedoms away from other people. Even if they're not out in the streets lynching black people and Jews, they are actively working towards destroying the place our tolerant society holds for people who are different from them. Extending tolerance to their speech leads to less tolerance in society as a whole.

Conversely, we do not treat Pride parades as intolerant speech, no matter how offensive they are to Nazis, because their goal is not to reduce the tolerance of tolerant people. Nazis don't get to be protected from other people's intolerance of them - they don't get to cry foul when someone says "Punch Nazis" - because their feelings of offence stem from their intolerance, and the intolerance others have towards them is a reaction to their intolerance.

In other words, if Nazis didn't believe in a hateful ideology, no one would hate them. Whereas Nazis will hate black people no matter what black people do or don't do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't define intolerance by defining tolerance as being intolerant of intolerance. You just made a loop

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tolerance is by its nature defined as the inverse of intolerance, and vice versa. That's what the "in" at the start of "intolerance" means. They are each defined as the negation of the other.

A tolerant society is one that believes all people have a fundamental right to exist and live freely. It's really that simple. Intolerance is therefore that belief that some people do not have a fundamental right to exist and live freely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, I understand that part, I'm saying you first need to first define tolerance to negate it.

By your definition, in a tolerant society I have the right to exercise free speech. I'm not shielded from consequences of my actions, for example if it's libel. I can say anything I want about your business, but it is not true and it causes damages I'm liable for the damages.

By saying I don't have the right to express my political opinions you're being intolerant by your definition since you don't believe I should be able to live free, correct?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, that is correct. Hence the "Paradox" in the "Paradox of tolerance."

Paradoxically it is necessary that a tolerant society be intolerant of one thing and one thing only; intolerance.