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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (34 children)

    Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it's improving quite quickly.

    I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like... seriously?

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (31 children)

    Any details on that comment? Curious...

    [–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (30 children)

    I'll give my take on it. Something many fail to grasp is that it's not about a singular thing, you need to look at the context. Let's go through some of it:

    • Andreas Kling, lead developer of (now-)Ladybird, rejects PR that changes "he" to "they" in documentation.
      • This is the most frequently mentioned example of Andreas' issues.
      • The "he" in question referred to any user, where "they" is already commonly used instead by everything from companies, to news, to the Linux Kernel docs (an arguably much more important software project).
      • Andreas' exact words: "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics."
      • This code was eventually merged 3 years laters in a different PR, this time described as "Grammar fixes" (it changes even more pronouns to gender neutral than the original did).
      • Someone got his attention and tried to explain to him why that's not cool; he doubled down, assuming the worst from the original contributor.
    • Andreas Kling likes interacting with far-right, queerphobic, or otherwise controversial persons.
    • Other quirky things about Andreas that could be irrelevant in isolation but... please, put the pieces together. I'm begging you, look at the full picture. Is there truly nothing off about all of this?

    Would I look at that PR and say I'm not touching Andreas with a ten-foot pole? Maybe that's excessive. Would I ignore all the rest and say he's just misunderstood? Hell no. For all its issues, I do hope Ladybird succeeds as a new browser engine because the internet needs more of those. But I cannot support it until Andreas gets his shit sorted.

    P.P.S. I'm tired, of all this.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Oh wow.. He seeks to be ant alt right in disguise. God damn it.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I honestly can't tell if there's a disguise. Maybe there isn't! He seems to genuinely and stubbornly believe in the apolitical-centrist stuff, which you wouldn't think him capable of since he's so intelligent when it comes to programming... but programming intelligence is not necessarily applicable anywhere else.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

    Unfortunately—99.999% of the time—"apolitical" just means "I haven't taken the time to consider my deeply held values and how they show through in my day-to-day life and I want to stop hearing from people who challenge my worldview," not "I would like to not have this space devolve into discussions about governance nor economics" (which is also a political statement when you consider it's a community leader saying no one is allowed to question how they govern the community).

    E.g. why the fuck are pronouns "political"? Just because certain pundits have vilified anyone who uses less common ones to refer to themself? That just means any topic is potentially political, and all it takes is some asshole making the community you and your loved ones belong to part of their political agenda for your PR to be dismissed. "Sorry, that kind of usecase is common among Straight White Males™, and I don't want this project to be made unnecessarily political."

    Some people have no self-reflection, and it shows when they say shit like this. Only a matter of time before Kling claims people calling him out for being rightwing "pushed" him into the rightwing (because he realized the values he aleady held aligned with theirs, but lets conveniently forget to mention that part).

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