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Matrix user of almost a decade here. A PluralKit-like project actually does exist, a friend/ former partner of Ours developed it.

They are no longer on Matrix, and We wish We could follow suit. Do not use Matrix, it is absolutely not a safe space for marginalized folks by any stretch of imagination.

We know this because We were the defacto head of the last public safe space that was left standing, a feat only accomplished by terribly dedicated helpers (mods) and programmers who would make custom tooling for that community. It wasn't enough.

See, not only is Nev Vector Inc. very corporate oriented, they're actively hostile to community contributions. You can loudly yell about flaws that are easy to abuse, or make full code submissions of things that have been hotly requested for years, and it will be entirely ignored, if it doesn't directly align with their corporate interests.

Right now most of those who remained are scattered in a new community that's bridged between Discard, which at least does something to prevent the worst cases of abuse, and Revolt, which is still a pretty basic project feature set wise, compared to Matrix and Discard, but you can tell that it's made with actual care, it's also EU based.


Yeah, this lines up with what we've heard from a number of other people, sadly... that Matrix has been more interested in pandering to cops, governments, and corporations rather than building safe and respectful tech for everyday people. And that yes, you could self-host, but that it's a nightmare that they have no intent of making easier because it would conflict with their managed hosting services. Not to mention ongoing issues with metadata and loopholes that can be used for abuse. Unfortunate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/plural/comments/1iyp159/encrypted_pluralkit/mf7v50f/

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

fuck yeah, we're finally airing out Matrix's business?

"Matrix is not a community-based software, it was born [00] in Amdocs [01], a multinational corporation founded in Israel.

On the Internet we find many pieces of information connecting Amdocs with Israel’s Intelligence [02][03][04]. We do not know if it is because they wanted to wash their image, but allegedly Amdocs does not own the project anymore. A new organization, New Vector, was created for Matrix. Nevertheless the same people work there [05] and the project keeps being generously funded [06]."

https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html#leak

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Matrix dev's response:

sigh. If you want to play project pedigree games; Matrix was actually the result of two existing teams - one in the UK and one in France, which happened to get acquired by Amdocs and then subsequently spun out once we'd created Matrix.

That page in particular is a pile of FUD; it keeps banging on about "impressive collection of private data being sent to Matrix central servers, even when you use your own instance" which is simply categorically untrue; it looks like they misread the privacy policy of the Matrix.org server at https://github.com/element-hq/policies/blob/master/docs/matrix-org/privacy_notice.md and somehow assumed it applied to everyone's server instances. It doesn't, any more than https://www.w3.org/policies/privacy applies to a given random webserver on the internet :|

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40562084

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

interesting, I'll look over them