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How to respond to the Europe Re-arm ideas (lemmy.ml)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The EU announced its 800 billion euro plan to re-arm the EU with Trump being an unpredictable partner and Putin in the east (read more here if you want to know more).

I would like to get your opinions on this from an anarchistic viewpoint because I struggle to give one. As an anarchist I don't like the idea of a central army (let alone an EU one). Also, to get this 800 billion, countries and the EU have to borrow more money in a world that is already effectively running on debt without a proper way out.

On the other hand, I also understand people I speak to their opinions. Both Trump and Putin are unpredictable so I also understand that people want to feel safer by investing in the army. They also find it a waste of money but if we neglect the army, we might one day face the consequence of that.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This sounds a bit like you are falling for the popular game of EU-washing that many local politicians like to play, i.e. push for something at EU level and later claim there is nothing they could have done against it because it was decided by those up there in the EU.

In general the EU is far, far from being the "United states of Europe" and most of the controversial decisions are actually taken by national leaders circumventing the EU and its institutions like the EU parliament. The EU commission is largely just a bureaucratic organ to EU-wash the general neoliberal consensus of local politicians.

And from an anarchist perspective, it is IMHO preferable to have some far away aloof bureaucrats occupying themselves with some non-sense of little relevance and which you can largely ignore, than a local autocratic government that is breathing down your neck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But a local autocratic government feels more reachable to change. The EU actually costs you a lot of money - and true, we also earn money by trade and other collaborations so it is not all negative - but after we vote, it feels like things just continue as normal. They interfere in areas where they should make policy for and now they decide that we as EU should spend 800 billion on defense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Afaik only 150b of that is actual new, the rest is just relabled national funding already previously committed. The EU likes to pretend they are doing something big, when in reality its the individual states doing it mostly.

As for not being able to change anything at EU level... that is of course by design so that the national governments can retain control. Very little is actually decided on EU level, most of it is backdoor deals of changing groups of national governments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I wanted to know the answer so I looked it up. The 650bn is paid by increasing the country defense spending. Each country is able to loan more only for the purpose of defense spending. But that 650bn has to come from somewhere so I assume that would mean cutting the cost else were (e.g. of social service). More info: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_25_790