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Now we can yell at one of america's most mediocre presidents, actors, and movie producers.
Edit: as somebody pointed out he's not a director, he's a movie producer and actor per IMDB
I wonder why you're getting down voted. Obama led us directly to trump.
It’s one thing to claim racist bigots voted for Trump as a retaliation to the Obama administration. It’s another thing to claim it’s Obama’s fault that we got Trump.
I don't think that's the argument being made. I can't speak for OP but, Obama was objectively a mediocre president.
He was a wall street loving centrist democratic politician.
He campaigned on change and then he bailed out the big banks when the shit hit the fan. Sure, he had some redeeming policies. (ACA and such)
However, this does not detract from the fact that he created no tangible change to the status quo. His shortcomings led directly to the rise of the same rightwing populism that's decimating government institutions today.
In his very short time of having a power over the Congress he achieved something that nobody thought possible. Against the wishes and the will of majority of Americans he gave tens of millions of them an access to health care, an access that they weren't able to get before, and will not be able to get after his legacy will be dismantled in a couple if months. It took all of his momentum, all the political power to do.
For some reason you think that America is capable of some change to the better, but you people are so deep in the conservative mindset, it takes the best momentum of the century to achieve a singular good thing.
And don't blame it on Obama or Democratic party, like you love doing so much, you are in control of your country's trajectory (well, until Trump will go full Putin on your ass). And you collectively chose whatever it is around you right now.
I gave him credit for the affordable care act in my previous comment. I weighed it against his other shortcomings.
Still mediocre.
Apparently I have a conservative mindset for thinking Obama could have done much more with the power he had.
You didn't read my comment. You skimmed it for buzzwords you could react to.
I read the narrative you were trying to convey. He did a good thing giving protections against healthcare availability.
Why does that remove him from mediocrity?
You certainly did not. I chose to assume you just aren't paying attention enough, and just talk to whatever you think people are saying to you instead or actually reading the text. Otherwise that will mean the level of literacy we're working with is below zero, and I refuse to assume that, because in this case what are we even doing here.
You said he "gave people access to healthcare" I agreed.
What else is there to engage with in your comment?
Assist me in understanding.
Wait, seriously? Like, seriously, you're not joking? You really can't get the point from the original comment? You have read it and that was your understanding? Be honest, if not with me than with yourself, did you really read it, or just pretended to read and now digging your heels?
Seriously, engage with his whole presidency. How would you rate his performance in it's totality?
That...wasn't a point of my point
Your point was that he got people health care coverage that otherwise wouldn't have been covered. I agreed with that point.
My point is that his presidency led us to trump.
And my point was outlined in the comment you refuse to read.
Ok, this isn't going anywhere.
If it makes you feel any better I'm lost as well since the points they made in their attempted speech is just incorrect.
The rest is bizarre word ramblings, "he achieved something that nobody thought possible", "his legacy will be dismantled".
It's kinda interesting, like he's specifically blaming you for hurting Obama's reputation and the country at large... Not that people in charge should be held accountable or have some sort of standard for what they campaign for. I'm happy for the people who benefited from ACA, but plenty people still don't and I imagine a lot of people don't realize you are fined if you're uninsured because of the act. Reminds me of being penalized for being homeless.
It's that same fucking shtick with the whole student loan debacle. Keep the current profit generating system in place and pass laws and subsidies to help prop it up and stay as lucrative as possible. Any actual awareness or targeting of the greed is completely swept under the rug, so it's hard for me to get excited about this one step forward-two steps back bullshit. Especially when there's already so many perfectly acceptable examples around the world to learn and develop functional systems from.
It absolutely made me feel better. Thank you.
I mean, it was one-sided conversation from the beginning. And only you had the power to change it, all this time.
Do you have any positions or is glazing Obama the extent of it?
At this point it's not even funny. Do you do this with every conversations in your life, or did I get lucky? Do you understand the theory of mind? Do you understand that you actually need to listen to the person when you talk, and not just invent what you feel they might say, and then argue with that for some reason?
You got lucky. I'm understanding how vacuous your argument is and, it's making me curious if you have any beliefs.
Oh, you're lucky too, I made a comment in the beginning of the conversation that could satisfy your curiosity. Granted, it requires to read the whole paragraph of text, so you may never know what I actually mean
Right, so no beliefs. Now we can continue posting back and forth out of spite.
Him being mid core makes him the best president in my life time
Please elaborate.
Well, besides him I was alive for Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush jr, Trump and Biden. Clinton had an easy presidency and yet did nothing to undo the damage caused by Reagan and Bindens brain turned to mush before our eyes. And the republican were well, Republicans
I have no issues with that statement. I would agree with you. Would you agree we can do better?
In theory. But not in our lifetimes
We have arrived at a disagreement. I believe things can get better.
How, if the best we can do is another group of rich people?
The last democrat we had in office did nothing about the patriot act and was okay with droning people even when it killed civilians. Yeah, trump is worse, but that didn't mean anything to a bunch of parents with dead kids.
I like to believe there is going to be a movement that pushes for real populist economic policy. Imho, first It's going to take having more conversations like this one. Then the ol' educate, agitate, and organize.
It kind of is, but not in the reason they're thinking... But Obama mocking Trump at that White House Correspondents Dinner is said to have been a major impetus for Trump's 2016 campaign.
This is what I find interesting about the framing of blame.
It was “Obama’s fault” for cheekily responding to Trump’s racist Birther Movement that he was from Africa, with a clip from Lion King?
This is the racist undertone that a lot of people pick up on when they blame Obama for ‘2025 Hitler’. You forget there were effigies of Obama being lynched outside the White House. Republicans initiated a specific anti-Obama obstructionism policy during his administration. All of this uncooperative behavior was because he was black. Claiming Obama didn’t do enough to appeal to the fascists who weren’t going to work with him on policy anyway is giving a pass to fascists.
Wow, way to completely misrepresent what I said.
Where did I say anything was "Obama's fault"? In fact, I was clarifying what the person above me said... I would never use those words.