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Gladys and Nelson Gonzalez have called the United States home since 1989. Their three daughters, now grown, were all born and raised in California.

“For nearly four decades, they have built a life here — raising three daughters, giving back to their community, and recently welcoming their first grandchild,” their daughter Stephanie Gonzalez wrote on a GoFundMe page for the family. “Now, they are being treated as criminals.”

Last month, the parents checked in at an immigration court in Santa Ana, just “like they have been doing since 2000,” Stephanie wrote in an email to CNN.

But this check-in ended with a much different outcome.

The couple was arrested and handcuffed during their February 21 appointment and put in federal custody, where they spent three weeks before being deported to Colombia.

“We didn’t expect that they would be apprehended and held in custody. And again, it’s not really unique to them anymore. It’s happening across the country,” Crooms told CNN, pointing to recent immigration policy changes in the US two months into the current administration.

The Gonzalezes spent many years searching for a viable path to citizenship, paid their taxes and never had any trouble with the law, according to Crooms and their daughters.

Ideally, the couple would have been given time to get their affairs in order and say goodbye to their daughters and grandchild, according to Crooms. But that didn’t happen.

“We had to go and pick up their car from the parking lot and didn’t get to say goodbye,” Stephanie said.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (33 children)

The United States, starting centuries before it was founded, and continuing for centuries afterward, has been founded on the undebatable strength of industry we have gained from immigration. This entire country is built from immigration – mostly because those who came before committed in massive genocide against the natives of this land.

So when you question the value of any incoming immigrant, just remember that nobody ever had to endure such shitty fascist in dignity until shitty fascists made it a thing.

And, as someone who is continuing the shitty, fascist viewpoint that nearly destroyed the United States in the 1920s and 1930s, you are advocating for that same amount of undemocratic, un-American, absolutely fucking shitty fascist bullshit that, nearly a century ago, we very well knew was shitty, fascist, bullshit that would terror our country apart.

And you are no better, because the only reason you would endorse this shitty, fascist, bullshit is because you are so stupid that you have yet to learn why it is ultimately self-destructive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (17 children)

So you are here illegally too then? Or should legal immigration receive the same benefits as illegal?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (15 children)

What do illegal jmmigrants do to you? Seriously ask yourself what the impact of these people existing is on your daily life. The folks in this article specifically, came here, got jobs, paid taxes on their wages, and took those wages and contributed to their local economy. How is that any different than me just because I was born here?

They're willing to do jobs we aren't because they don't grow up with the quality of life and/or safety we were lucky enough to get handed just for popping out in the right place. Despite what you've been told they commonly are subject to payroll tax. Most of them are desperately trying to obtain paperwork, but our government says no over and over again. The fucking melting pot, right?

You've been propagandized to think immigrants did something to you. They didn't. The end game is going to be you and I shooting at each other in a civil war because the rich people said immigrants are bad. Please wake up. Please everybody wake up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Immigrants who are in the country illegally:

  1. Don't pay all taxes.
  2. Depress wages, because they are willing to work for less
  3. Reduce housing supply for citizens and legal immigrants.
  4. Mess up infrastructure planning, because they don't exist in government databases - so you plan for fewer people than you should.
  5. Make police work harder, because again - they don't exist in official databases. And if they are witnesses or victims - they are less likely to report crimes.
  6. They can have problems insuring their vehicles - so their victims could have problems getting paid in case of a crash.

And the positive side:

  1. If you're a greedy capitalist who wants to exploit their workers by paying them less than a minimum wage, forcing them to work overtime, not offering paid vacations and health insurance and ignoring work safety laws - then undocumented immigrants are what you need.
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Clearly, the easiest way to solve all of these problems would be to make them tax paying citizens as quickly as possible.

But that would upset the xenophobic racists...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yup - immigrants who come to the country legally don't cause all those problems.

So what do you propose? To give legal permanent resident status to everyone who shows up at the border?

To abolish all visa policies and let everyone in?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What a limited imagination you have that you can only imagine one extreme or another. Not really surprising for an extremist.

But you certainly made it clear that what you see as the “problem“ is immigrants, not whether they pay taxes or not. Your xenophobia and racism are on full display.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Having any sort of a visa policy means that we have to not let some people in.

But if you reward those who break the law to get in the country - it will just encourage more people to come.

Also why should someone try to migrate legally? Get all the paperwork sorted and everything. Just to see a bunch of undocumented immigrants skipping the line and getting in?

If I come to the USA as a tourist - why do I even have that 90 day time limit? Why can't you let me stay as long as I please?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We already punish people who come in illegally. It doesn’t seem to stop them.

Your logic is flawed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The USA has so-called "sanctuary cities" that protect undocumented immigrants. Those cities encourage the immigrants to come, because it's less likely that they'll get punished for that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Show me proof that any city in the US is encouraging illegal immigration.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city

If a city doesn't cooperate with ICE then undocumented migrants are more likely to go there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

That’s not proof of anything other than your racist and xenophobic speculation

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Or maybe they pay more taxes because they may get taxes withheld from their pay but can’t file for a refund without risking their freedom.

Or maybe the US should support human rights by not involving immigration where it doesn’t belong. We want all people here to have healthcare and car insurance and job safety and at least a minimum wage, and wtf does immigration status have to do with any of that? By tying those together you’re not only making government more complicated but you’re in collusion with exploitive companies in creating an underclass class of people with limited human rights who can be exploited at will

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