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Huh, weird. I thought peaceful donvict was going to end all this, unlike "Genocide Joe" and Kamala.....
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C’mon Jack, Biden was still shipping munitions until his last days in office. None of those assholes we’re going to stop this
Yeah but at least we could have retained our domestic civil liberties and our own right to civilly protest the genocide under the other guys? Now we have nothing, less than nothing.
Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Also, I love how people constantly blame anyone but the far right and their decades-long efforts for the culmination of donvict slithering into office. No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
Not enthusiastic support, but "Let's wait for Later™ before we do anything about this" is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You'll probably defend that as "strategic voting" or "picking your battles" or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute "No" is acceptable as a response to genocide.
Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let's not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or "hold your nose and vote for her" will change that.
The centrist wing has no other policy they're willing to actually go to bat for.
We could have also not have a dept of DOGE, but that’s not the argument here. Enough whataboutism and just accept that there was no US candidate that was actual stand up to Israel.
You never deserved those liberties if it means you're okay with enabling genocide.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that anyone ever listened to my opinion on the subject.
You the People of America had a year-long referendum on the subject.
Those deaths did nothing to enhance our safety. They may have added to the power and wealth of a few of Netanyahu's cronies, and probably his family members. That's all.
Yeaaaahh, but would it have been the exact same? Would it have been juuuust as bad as it is now, and will become, soon?
I suppose we’ll never know…outside of the fact Biden was still providing bombs up until the end of his term. Maybe he would have just stopped, but all of his actions refute the idea.
Yeah, no, sorry, not sorry, if you can't see the difference between boden and Trump then you're an idiot. I'm fresh out of patience for people claiming the cheeto isn't that bad
There are many differences between trump & biden, but not when it comes to Israel.
The cheeto isn't not that bad. The Democratic establishment is just that bad when it comes to Palestine. The cheeto is still as bad as can be, but in this particular case the Democrats also are.
No one said that.
Progressives tried to warn centrists that they would lose if they continued their support for genocide. Progressives were not significant enough to listen to, so they're not significant enough to blame.
Unless you want to admit that you were wrong and that democrats should have listened and dropped their support for genocide.
Um, lots of people said that, including donvict himself.
And when did I say Democrats shouldn't listen to progressives like me?
Progressives don't lie about Progressives' positions and then pretend they were talking about republicans when they get called on it.
Uh, progressives did vote third party, claiming that donvict would be no worse, possibly better. That's no lie. So yes, it was Republicans AND lots of "independents" and even progressives that said so. I watched them do it.
Also, playing the No True Scotsman with progressives....hilarious. You are not the arbiter of who is and who is not a progressive, although I know you'd like to call everyone you disagree with a "centrist". Have fun with that. If we play the purity game enough, virtually everyone can be declared a "centrist", but that's not very constructive is it?
Fuck yourself idiot, this inaccurate blame game shit is functionally no different than maga shit.
Biden would have at least pretended to care! Because that's what good guys do.
Hey! biden cared! He cared what netanyahu wanted!
democrats arnt celebrating with the maga at all. keep your russian trolling to yourself.
Tell me with a straight face that Schumer isn't celebrating this.
centrists celebrated harris getting dick cheney's endorsement, and were openly angry at gwb for failing to endorse harris.
Schumer is enabling MAGA. I'm not interested in quibbling about whether it quite amounts to collaborating.
"blue maga" is not a thing, LOL. Also, I don't know when I was celebrating Cheney or Bush being on anyone's side...
They're not going to want to hear it. For them, wanting your country to not fall apart equals being okay with genocide. It doesn't matter that everything is much, much worse. There is even a comment saying this is our punishment for funding genocide. Families that are being broken apart, rights stripped away, growing tensions with literally everyone, and a fucking DOGE department, that's our punishment for trying to not make things not as terrible as they could be.
I'm so fucking sick of them going "Oh, so you don't care. You're okay with bombing people." No, no we are not. We are not over here giggling happily at the horror going on. I didn't see anyone in the town halls or protest going, "now, we're okay with genocide, but only if we have rights." Just because we are also worried about our country does not automatically mean that we don't care anyone else.
The people in my country are also important. I want them to have Healthcare and food and basic rights. Trying to make the best choice out of two shitty choices is not us going "well, genocide is a okay." Over, and over, and over we were told there's no difference between who was elected. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. This is the fucking difference. I don't want to focus on fucking Musk and Trump. I don't even see people speak about the genocide as much anymore because we're drowning in Trump/Musk news. The protests in my area have shifted because we can't protest if we don't even have the right to do so. We can't vote against anything if we CAN'T FUCKING VOTE.
I wish it was as simple as just not voting, or at the very least not having a two party system, but we did not have that option last election. It was either Harris or Trump. Did I fucking want Harris? NO! Did I believe she would be, even if by a small amount, easier to deal with than Trump, yes. Yes I fucking did. But I fuck me I guess for caring about Gaza and my countrymen.
I'm the punishment guy. First of all you ignored the latter half of my comment, where I said that this contradiction between civil rights at home and genocide abroad was only going to result in Trump. You can want things to happen all you want, but it was never going to work in reality. Second, yes, exactly. It's your punishment for eliminating the option where you oppose genocide out of hand when you had a whole year to change course. I can barely accept saying "it's too late to change things now so vote blue" in October, but "hold your nose and vote for her" in August, or—even worse—"Biden can't step down now" in February? Calling anri-genocde critics of the party MAGA or Russian trolls? Fucking unforgivable. I have seen the way Arabs opposing the genocide of their friends and family were talked about here, and the "leopards ate my face" comments on every article about the death of a Palestinian. Not every American is directly responsible, don't get me wrong, but with a crime as big as the merciless murder of at least a quarter million people almost every American is one way or another within the radius of moral culpability.
Tl;DR: Didn't want MAGA Hitler? Then you should've opposed the damn genocide.
Agreed. With donvict and his zero-empathy crew, the terror and misery are going to be brought here and waged against much of the country, in addition to in Gaza. In addition to him being even worse on Gaza.
The galaxy-brained so-called "leftists" (I question how many actually are) would have us believe that allowing donvict into office is just fine, and them abstaining from voting or throwing a vote away on a joke of a third party even makes them righteous.
Who did the firebombing? The US? I understand the US's complicity in Israeli crimes against humanity, but there's still a difference in degree of culpability.
I'm sorry, did you see a whole lot of Democratic voters that wanted that to happen? I don't know one Democratic voter that wants any part of it, including, yes, selling Israel weapons.
Again, the only real choices we had were, Biden, then Kamala. Or donvict. Biden and Kamala had the same position on Israel that DC has held for years. No, we don't love that.
This, vs. donvict who is going to be even worse, especially on doing things to throw red meat to the crazy end-times xtians that only "support" Jews in Israel because of silly stories they've made up...and he is obviously going to be worse both domestically and abroad on many things that don't involve Gaza, as well.
How’d the resolution to withhold arms sales to Israel go today huh? All those democrats showing they don’t want to sell Israel more weapons, Trump has no power over their vote but they still choose to support Zionism