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[–] [email protected] 208 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (119 children)

Stop using youtube.

EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.

[–] [email protected] 137 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

https://nebula.tv/

Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The popular YouTubers are trash tho

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene "anti-woke" trash.

The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

EDIT:

Here's after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being "woke," and one literally with the giant title "fuck your pronouns." Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, exactly. This argument about YouTube isn't relevant to Nebula.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Nebula is all “bread tubers” and left adjacent.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow your YouTube recommendations are very different from mine.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I have watch history disabled

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.

Agreed.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Funny think about that.

I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.

So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.

Oh, so it's just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole "market" isn't just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.

Is that the platforms fault?

Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn't just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren't fucking videos so that you'll actually pay attention to them.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-more-extremist-content-right-leaning-users-researchers

https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879

A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying "fuck your rights" to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis

Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).

Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I have watch history disabled

Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.

I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don't have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That's a you problem. Why are you complaining?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nebula doesn't have that kind of 'popular' YouTubers, it's a creator-made platform that's more focused on science and documentary channels. I don't think I've seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

There's definitely gaming content on there, but what I've seen has been of the long-form analysis type.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sadly I couldn't get it to stream reliably though it's been a few months since I unsubscribed.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not an easy answer, but the best way I've found so far is to use GrayJay.

If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.

Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah rumble is made by and for Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

And Kick is a cesspool gambling-friendly "free speech" Twitch alternative.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

Maybe people could read more?

Nobody needs this endless "content" slop.

For real people need to get a grip if they can't survive without it. They're addicted.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Horse shit.

Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn't all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it's easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.

Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don't like that format?

Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Some content lends itself well to written format. Lots of content does not.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe people could read more?

Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Store on a hard drive instead.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it's my cloud storage, my backup off site.

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