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dude if your ui is unusable you're gonna hear about it.
you can't make an open source car that has two joysticks instead of a steering wheel and talk about industry standards and vendor lock ins when people say it sucks.
I mean it's cool that it exists for non drivers who sometimes want to jump on an open source car for a quick trip but if driving is your job then the joysticks being technically functional won't cut it.
that doesn't mean you have to copy everything 1:1, if people are looking for alternatives one reason might be that not everything about the standard car is great. affinity has some great differences in tools but they're designed in a way that makes sense to pro users.
I've said this before but there's a severe lack of designers in the open source space. there should be a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git or whatever the fuck.
Reading this made me a bit sad.
On the one hand, I understand how tools like this could be a hurdle for someone who isn't heavily invested in their use. And on the other, as someone who has tinkered with open source projects, I know that as hurdles go, git is the first of very many hurdles that must be cleared when contributing to a large, mature GUI program like this, and it's a pretty low one at that.
It would be great if more people could contribute to and help develop open-source versions of tools they themselves use, but I can certainly see how tough it can be starting out
Not low at all. After you contribute the maintainer be like "can you rebase it all to one commit"
And then you end up force pushing and ping 4000 people
Or you accidentally close your pull request
If no conflict, GitHub has a button to squash all commits in a pull request.
Honestly just copying everything from 10 years ago 1:1 would be an improvement on most big applications.
I think there's been lots of improvements to various small things to make that accurate. but adobe does love to regress in lots of different little ways as well.
I need to muster the energy to make a video about the affinity lineup. they have a number of new tools and features that didn't exist before but are certainly improvements.
Open source software design sucks because they don't have desginers (who know git) because they can't attract designers (who know git) because they don't have money (free and open source) because they don't have big userbase (which can lead to more people donating) because oss software design sucks.
Downsides for sure, but it does work.
Make it then.
Do you know how difficult it is to make software that runs, let alone runs well? Do you know how difficult it is to stay on top of the constant messages, issues, PRs, and just churn that comes alone when that particular software gets popular? And on top of that devs are supposed to be design gods too?
If you think you have the solution: build it. Be a part of the solution. The developers of GIMP can't do everything.
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genius reply. i love that in the same comment where you say devs can't be design gods you say designers should make an entire software platform.
and no, they're not supposed to be design gods, which is why I said there should be a platform that enables designers to contribute, which would take the burden off the devs. words must be hard.
So, benefit of the doubt time.
That's some mental gymnastics in there but let's see if we can get it.
So the reply isn't actually suggesting you create the platform for designers, they are pointing out that there is a lot more to competent platform/software design than it seems, so try it yourself and find out.
If it turns out you do in fact have the answers, great, we now have the platform you described.
Chances are you'll find out just how difficult it is to do what you are suggesting and realise that implying someone could "just" create a platform for designers isn't particularly realistic.
so the comment is about how I might not realize that creating such a platform is hard when my comment says I don't even understand how git works. weird. nowhere in the history of language has "there should be such a thing" meant or even implied "making such a thing is easy", if anything it implies the opposite.
I know its hyperbole but you can't possible back that statement up.
It doesn't, but i agree it didn't really imply the difficulty was high either.
I wasn't saying the reply was correct, i was stating the intended meaning (at least as i see it).
To answer to your original post, design platforms with version control exist.
Some use git under the hood, some don't, most don't require you to understand git to use them.
Hopefully that saves you some time as now you don't have to build the platform from scratch.
I know very little about GIMP or other OS design software, but does this software have a plugin system that designers could use to extend the software so they can use it how they want?
That would be another thing to look into
Alright making this really simple.
These are the interpretations of you and your words:
My words:
Nowhere do I say "designers should write code".
Are we on the same page now?
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that's a bad interpretation.
and to your words:
except for literally the very previous sentence. of course you don't realize that because you somehow assumed I'm a dev despite my comments being entirely about design and even implying that I don't even know how the fuck git works
clearly not
Fine, be that way π
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dude it's not my fault you're on an entirely different book, let alone the same page
They'd didn't say they were a dev so your whole analysis is off.
that's not what they were saying.
They were saying there wish there was a way for designers to contribute. Git is a pain in the ass. lets be real. Important, but a pain. Its a bad UI.
Design isn't the same as code, so the same process and repos aren't necessarily going to help. that's all they didn't say anything insulting. Only that they wish there was a away for designers to contribute. Why is that hurting peoples feelings?
If we can't criticize because we can't make it, might as well shut up for life.
There's constructive criticism and then there's just yapping.
"Ermagerd GIMP devs are so shit at design" = yapping
"Just build a platform for designers" = supposed solution + it's so easy, people are stupid for not having built this yet = yapping
Had it been, something like
That would've been a completely different discussion.
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I feel like they gave good reasons as to what the problem is and why it exists, and potentially how to solve it (making git easier to use, which Iβm all for, or use something else)
Youβre the only one insulting the project/devs. They were really respectful in their comment. Youβre just misquoting them and making them say something they didnβt.
Youβre just too entitled. Some opinions can be direct and harsh, and still be valid and constructive criticism. Grow some thick skin and get over it.
did it feel weird when you emphasized a word that I specifically didn't say in your quote? there's strawman, and there's straight up lying. and your suggestion for how I should have worded it is pretty much what I said. it's so funny, is the issue that I didn't use enough uwus and ππ emojis? lol.
I loved my Ricochet RC car that drove with twin sticks...
I would totally drive an actual car that handled that way!
I knew someone would make this comment but that's kind of the point. rc cars are toys after all, and it's fine as a hobby but if professional driving would be better with twin sticks I feel like motorsports would have already adopted it.
I've driven mowers with twin sticks, and there's heavy equipment that uses that control system as well. Gives you more precise movements and a 0Β° turn radius.
As someone who enjoys off-road adventures, I think a little twin stick rock crawler ATV would be an absolute blast to ride around on.
Have I got a D9 Cat waiting for you! Drive with those twin brake levers 10 to 14 hours a day! You will get to dig ditches and level whole mountains!
Edit to add: And drink Red Bull and eat Honey Buns while doing it too!
Git is what is used for software development. It isn't crazy hard to learn and is fairly simple to work with.
ok then tell me how I can fix GIMP's UI without coding.
submit a feature request
thanks, the UI is better now
which feature request is yours?
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues
the one you recommended
You don't
git is fine. girhub sucks ass and if a I am ever directed to it then that project is dead to me.
Not only a lack of designers, but the very concept of them is held in contempt among way too many in the open-source world (like this thread even).
The problem is even if a designer contributes (say they open an issue with design feedback or even wireframes and such) developers seldom see as much value in a redesign as there is in working on features they care about, because open source is driven by developers making apps that they would use firstly.
that's fine but there should be less defensiveness about people criticizing the design then
Legendary comment, my friend!