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submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

Compromise on all your ideals and field the most mediocre candidate

If Kamala is mediocre what does that make Trump?

Secondly what is it about Trump that most strikes him as a conservative? What conservative values do you think he thinks about and values the most?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago

What conservative values do you think he thinks about and values the most?

That Conservative value would be: an in party that the law protects, but does not bind.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump represents what Republicans want to vote for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

But this is about ideals and values of the left wing vs right.

What values and ideals does Trump have that appeals to them?

Six Trump voters on why he won their support in 2024 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyg5jdgzy1o

Lets see these "ideals" and "values" that Trump voters hold dear to their hearts:

They don't like immigrants, the border crossings

They thought he could do a better job with the economy

They thought he could do a better job with the economy

‘With his grandkids, I see the softer side’ <- Lady is on drugs I assume, going to ignore this one

They thought he could do a better job with the economy

Doesn't like war, likes a strong man leader

So 3 out of 5 were about the economy 1 didn't like illegal immigration 1 didn't like war

So people voted largely for Trump because they felt the economy does better under him

And this looks to be backed up with this poll:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx

Economy Most Important Issue to 2024 Presidential Vote

The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.

Is this a conservative value? a good economy? do leftists not value a good economy?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this a conservative value? a good economy? do leftists not value a good economy?

The term "the economy" here is too broad. Under Biden, by most statistical measures, the economy at a national level was doing pretty well with back to back 20%+ increases in the stock market in the last 2 years. But that wasn't what these voters were referring to. They were referring to their personal finances, their family's economy. Even the bits about not liking immigrants was their misdiagnosis that immigrants were negatively affecting their family economy. They think that immigrant being present meant that their family's economy was reduced. They think that any taxes levied on them unfairly reduce their family's economy. They were being squeezed from all directions, lower pay & job insecurity, sky high housing costs ("the rent is too damn high!"), out of control undischargable student loan burdens, bottomless health insurance and health care costs, spiraling home insurance costs from floods/wildfires/hurricanes, and finally the price of eggs.

These voters thought that this was a broken economy, but that is a misdiagnosis. This is an issue of income inequality. Too much of the wealth of the prosperous nation is confined to a tiny fraction at the top. And this mass of voters ended up voting to make this problem worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

i agree with you but the guy i was arguing with claimed that kamala strayed too far from left wing values and thats why she didn’t win

my claim is something more fundamental, she didn’t assure voters that she would do better on the economy than trump

imo even if she did turn around and become the biggest pro Palestinian, transgender, anarchist, radical communist out there she still wouldn’t have won because the biggest issue to people was the local economy not gaza

she probably should have just offered everyone a tax cut

edit: and that trump has pretty much no values or ideals, just donald is #1 and he’s gonna fix everything and everyone else is wrong or stupid

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders but I guarantee he would have won. The Democrats refused to give people the policies they wanted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

do you think aoc would have won as well?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yes but like Bernie her goal is to not run so she can sheepdog leftists into the Democratic party. Not to run and win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If Kamala is mediocre what does that make Trump?

You are aware that Harris lost right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, it's possible to have 2 shit candidates you know :P

In Australia we are frequently voting for the 'least worst' candidate, we have mandatory voting so very few of us have this idea in our head that we need to run out and enthusiastically support a candidate, we just vote for the one who we think will do the least damage, in Australia Kamala would have won easily

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, it’s possible to have 2 shit candidates you know :P

Yes, and Kamala lost.

In Australia we are frequently voting for the ‘least worst’ candidate

Australian doesn't have first past the post voting! What are you talking about!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Australian doesn’t have first past the post voting! What are you talking about!

I don't get it, how does this preclude having shit options to vote for?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Because the entire justification for "lesser evil" voting is that America has first past the post voting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't get it, can you explain it more? I'm not talking about the voting system, I'm talking about the culture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle#In_modern_elections

In 2012, Huffington Post columnist Sanford Jay Rosen stated that refusal to vote for the lesser of two evils became common practice for left-leaning voters in the United States due to their overwhelming disapproval of the United States government's support for the Vietnam War.[8] Rosen stated: "Beginning with the 1968 presidential election, I often have heard from liberals that they could not vote for the lesser of two evils. Some said they would not vote; some said they would vote for a third-party candidate. That mantra delivered us to Richard Nixon in 1972 until Watergate did him in. And it delivered us to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in 2000 until they were termed out in 2009".[8]

She can add it delivered Trump 2024 as well to that list