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leftist infighting (lemmynsfw.com)
submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (33 children)

Fight all you want, by all means, bring those in power further left. But at the ballot box come election day, I don't care if the dem wants to sacrifice puppies on weekends. Guaranteed their Republican opponent has a factory grinding puppies into various consumer products by the millions. And their 3rd party counterpart likely has a greater chance of getting elected to mayor of flavortown than to congress/president (and also still probably kills puppies casually among friends themselves).

Is this system bullshit? Yup. Is it the one we got? Yup. We need to deal within that reality. By all means, let's work to change that system, but for the love of God, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot when our favorite candidate doesn't stand a chance in hell, or the more likely candidate is blatantly flawed (but still better than the alternative)

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

100%. Prior to Election Day? Get a democratic butt in every race and challenge the people advocating for puppy sacrifices.

Unfortunately we are at a point where only one party can be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But I was told democrats are worse than hitler

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They aren't worse then Hitler. They just kept saying Hitler has a right to defend himself and selling him the gas for his chambers.

Not the best way to win an election.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you see us electing ourselves out of this mess (that we elected ourselves into)?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I'm not going to lie, this mess will only end with the sitting congress and judiciary growing some nuts and shutting all of this shit down, OR with a military coup. I don't see either happening. Realistically, we have likely had our last truly free election for the foreseeable future the way this is going. I hope I'm wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Anything that gets you to target people with less power than you is a psy-op.

There is only one group of people to oppose. It's a small group of extremely wealthy people. All their mouthpieces on the internet are irrelevant (and likely bots) and are best ignored/blocked.

There is one small, powerful group who are the only justifiable targets. Everything else is a distraction and likely a divide-and-weaken tactic.

One small group of powerful, wealthy people. That is the enemy. No one with less power than you is worth focusing on.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

You’re absolutely right.

The billionaire owner class is at the root of all this. They own the politicians, they buy up the media outlets and bot farms to control the narrative, and they make our lives miserable in order to further pad their already incomprehensibly massive bank accounts.

Working class must look out for each other. We have so much more in common with our brothers and sisters across the aisle than we ever will have with these parasitic elites.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why leftists consistently lose elections.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (30 children)

Difficult to raise this amongst friends but one 2022 story came to mind

https://www.vox.com/policy/385549/trans-sports-transgender-biden-harris-democrats-titleix

PS: obviously my conflict is about “fight for 1% of athletes vs. lose election to Hitlerguy and harm like 50% of the population”, to oversimplify greatly

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

I bet we could get even more of these conservatives on our side if we promised to repeal gay marriage. Let's try that, too

Ooh, and we could get even more people if we promised to put the Jews in camps

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you aren't going to fight for that "1% of athletes" even though you think they're right just because they're too politically inconvenient then I have zero faith you'll fight for me when I'm politically inconvenient and actually need you to

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Liberals will say shit like this and then be baffled why leftists don't want to fall in line behind the party of moderate fascists.

You throw trans people under the bus and you also lose, or at least depress turnout, of everyone who supports trans rights. You also make it clear to every minority that if they're in the crosshairs next, they'll be sacrificed next for the same reasons of political convenience. Jews represented <1% of the population of Weimar Germany, and you may be familiar with a poem about what happened after they came for them.

Furthermore, by ceding ground to the Republicans on this you make them look correct and you discredit your own side for having previously denounced their position as bigoted, which makes people more likely to support Republicans. We saw this happen with the border, when the Democrats turned from "Building the wall is racist" to "We're the ones who are actually going to build the wall," they didn't win over moderate republicans, instead they lost on virtually every demographic. The people who are pro-immigration hated it and the people who are anti-immigration saw their views as being validated and if they had any lingering reservations about voting Republican, those reservations vanished.

Framing politics as a Trolley Problem is extremely stupid, and fundamentally not how the world works, it's liberal brainrot and one of the reasons Democrats are worthless. They literally did this "strategic" sacrifice with Palestinians and immigrants (and it's not like they fully supported trans rights either) and they still ate shit with the worst electoral map since the Republicans took California. When throwing trans people to the wolves doesn't work, which minority will you sacrifice next?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

“fight for 1% of athletes vs. lose election to Hitlerguy and harm like 50% of the population”

Republicans who got on the "Freak out about transgender policy" lost their elections in droves in 2022. Several big swing Senate seats flipped because guys like Blake Masters and Herschel Walker couldn't stop screaming slurs at campaign rallies. We've seen Republicans scrub out over and over again by downing too much of their own kool-aid.

Democrats didn't lose 2024 because they were too nice to Transgender people. They lost because they were too nice to Liz Cheney. Harris made a big show of aligning with neoconservatives on everything from immigration and trade to military policies against Russia and China to the stubborn endorsement of the Palestine genocide. All of this shit polled worse than support for Transgender civil rights. Harris had no problem throwing the country in front of Hitlerguy to endorse the tear-gassing of Columbia University and the Kids In Cages on the Texas/Mexico border.

Even then... even if you can argue with a stack full of polling papers that Harris knew with perfect certainty and well in advance of the November vote that an impassioned speech in defense of transgender athletes would doom her campaign and subject the US to Hitlerguy, so what? She didn't do this and she still fucking lost.

So she and the rest of her squishy latte liberal cohort threw away a big chunk of LGBTQ support for what? What did Dems gain by embracing reactionary policy?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Democrats didn't lose 2024 because they were too nice to Transgender people. They lost because they were too nice to Liz Cheney.

This right here can't be said enough. The problem isn't policies that are too leftist. It's the "liberals" that a working so hard to cozy up to conservatives. If we wanted moderate Republicans we'd vote for 'em. We want fucking leftists goddammit!!!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The problem with this is that it assumes Democrats have no agency. Democratic politicians have treated trans issues like those crusty old male Dems who don't like saying the word abortion.

Dems have never provided loud and full-throated support to trans issues. Go watch the recent John Oliver video on trans sports. There are very very good arguments on why excluding trans people from sports is incredibly anti-scientific and just thinly disguised bigotry. But Democratic politicians have never bothered developing the talking points to defend trans people, like they have for other core issues.

Look at how Kamala responded when asked about trans issues. She didn't provide full-throated support to trans people. Her reply was simply, "I'll follow the law."

Democrats have completely failed to defend trans people. They've quietly passed a few state level anti-discrimination laws, but in terms of rhetoric, they've completely ceded the space to conservatives. The only mainstream voices talking about trans issues have been the anti-trans bigots. The Democrats have instead just called the whole issue a distraction and hoped it would all just blow away.

They're right that it is a distraction, an artificial one concocted by Republicans. But that doesn't mean they can just ignore it.

Propaganda works. And if you don't do the hard rhetorical work to fight it, it eventually does change public opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

So, how large does a minority have to be before they are no longer disposable?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Good good, let the hate flow through you. Purity is what matters, not affecting change. Go now, inquisitor.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

Be Democrat

Compromise on all your ideals and field the most mediocre candidate

Lose to Donald Trump

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

You Lemmy progressives need to be honest with yourselves. If "not a fascist" wasn't enough to make you vote for Harris there isn't a candidate in the universe that would have passed your purity test. It's almost like you actually wanted Trump to win.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Oh I voted for Harris (and am also not the person you replied to) but "Compromise on all your ideals" describes the trajectory of the Kamala candidacy quite well. And that's best case. Worst case, as the atlantic suggested way back in 2020, she didn't share those ideals to begin with.

And that sprint to the right that she made didn't move the needle on R voters at all. She should have campaigned like she wanted Democrat votes, but she didn't. She talked a lot about her Glock and got cozy with the war criminals of the prior generation, didn't talk much about climate change, and even gave space on stage to Liz Cheney at the DNC instead of even giving a single minute to a pro-Palestine Democrat, to try getting some of the basket of deplorables to pick her. None of them did, and it didn't make Democrats very happy either.

Maybe if the Democratic candidate had acted like she wanted Democrat votes, this map would have looked different in the end.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Lemmy Democrats did their strategy, lost, and blame leftists. Talk about being in denial.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If “not a fascist” wasn’t enough to make you vote for Harris

if they want this title then maybe they shouldn't have been arming and defending the extermination campaign in Palestine

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m convinced they are bad actors. With all the damage Trump is doing they still complain about the alternative like they are campaigning for the GOP.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

But every single mainstream Democrat is just as fascist outside of the US as the Republicans. They proved that when they didn't do anything about a genocide. They are also increasingly fascistic in the US as they demonstrated by being better at deportations than the Republicans. (Also, regularly breaking with Democrat voters to side with MAGA in Congress/Senate).

The Democrats are the same team as the Republicans, they just use different language.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

This post could actually be the psy-op. Spread the idea that infighting is happening to then create it

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Left unity" IS the psy-op. The notion that leftism is some sort of singular concept that is harmonious with all forms of itself. What a great manipulation. There are good ways to do leftism and bad ways. Anyone who tells you different is intentionally trying to create divisiveness of the known differences in approaches to leftism to agitate leftists and gaslight them into thinking there is an ideal and that the ideal is only achievable if they all somehow agree. But as they never will as this doesn't make sense, these contradictions positioned as truths are the manipulation used to destabilize any movements. For any success of movement leftists will need to agree to disagree or one will have to over power the other.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

I've seen enough infighting already, if anything this joke is late to the punch.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Infighting amongst leftist has literally existed as long as leftist ideology itself has existed. You can't learn the history of the left without reading about dozens of examples.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

No war but the class war. Everyone you disagree with is an ally in waiting except billionaires.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Tankies justifying slave labor "only 10% of industries were built with gulag forces" calling socialist countries that succeeded with market socialism revisionist "Tito is a revisionist prick delaying global Revolution" and then not even batting an eye to the worse state capitalism that USSR and china engaged in "it improved the lives of people! No, it wasn't authoritarian! And yes, the party members we sent to gulags and killed were DEFINITELY anti revolutionists and not trying to stop the state capitalism that was forming."

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

Tankies... calling socialist countries that succeeded with market socialism revisionist “Tito is a revisionist prick delaying global Revolution”

Hate to break it to you but supporting Tito would make you a tankie in the eyes of most people on Lemmy who use the term (though you may get a pass for denouncing others).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Essentially the 'left' on the topic of Palestine

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (29 children)

Kamala voters in a nutshell

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