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Hillary and DWS stole DNC money and funneled it all to her campaign, and then rigged the nom on top with the superdelegates. If you don’t consider that stolen, maybe it is you who should also consider “being serious.”
Ah, yes, let's completely ignore the part where superdelegates were used to give her the appearance of an insurmountable lead before a single vote was cast.
No part of that election was run fairly. Stop pretending it was.
While you're at it, maybe address the part where her campaign actively promoted Trump in his primary as a pied piper. Hillary Clinton is uniquely and singularly responsible for Trump becoming president.
Are you serious? You're doubling down on superdelegates having no influence on the primaries?
No, it fucking isn't. Your dismissal is unfounded. My claim is the same argument that the Sanders campaign used to get the DNC to reform the superdelegate process after 2016.
Lmfao, "show me the proof" of the thing that was so egregious it forced a reform?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Your memories of that campaign don't jibe with mine. The fucking superdelegates were a huge part of the campaign and coverage and, in my opinion, did a fuck ton of damage with idiot voters.
I've been voting for over 3 decades. My first vote, in a presidential election, was Dukakis. I have walked precincts to get the vote out before my joints made that impossible. I'm not whatever the fuck you're trying to make me out to be. I think the results of the primaries prove unquestionably that the voters, specifically the geriatrics who show up in the primaries, are dipshit voters. I don't know how you could think otherwise, unless you love the current state of things. It does consistently piss me off that most of the people who bitch about the "2 shitty choices" at general election time do seem to be the same apathetic shits who can't be bothered to show up for primaries.
Bud, I don't know why you feel the need to be an obtuse, pedantic, confrontational butthead. To clarify as simply as possible, my memory of the early stages of the primary, while Sanders was doing really well, remembers the coverage of the election sided very strongly with Hillary due to the DNC's fascist superdelegates being in the party's pocket. As is their right, nothing illegal there, but pretty fucked up.
I use the term "fascist" within a context limited to the authoritarianism of the DNC and their superdelegates. Which they changed, because it was so bad.
You're asking for sources supporting my opinion. OK, here's a couple:
Who knows. Maybe you'll come back with sources saying,"No, the corrupt, biased process was completely fair!" and here we are. Now, weren't you trying to discredit my opinions, my experience, using ageism or something? Or are you going to point out my sources aren't great, and you'll want me to do another search for you? That won't happen.
Most people won't ever see this comment, at least you figured it out eventually.
They'll have forgotten it by next time.
I read through the thread. You were vocal, and angry. You were lashing out.
I'm not saying screw you.
I'm taking issue with what you're saying, and how you acknowledged part of the problem - then reversed your position back to attacking others about the same topic. The other commenter seems to be echoing a similar sentiment.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21148906/bernie-sanders-2020-superdelegates-explained https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798
You're a bad internet user, and you've displayed a lot of dishonesty in this thread.
Being arrogantly incorrect is a bad look for any of us.
Apologies for calling you a bad internet user.
I felt it more apropos to address the behavior and provide facts instead of posting a 'let me google that for you'.
You are. And wrong, to boot.
Ignore her own statements, and history.
You look like you don't remember anything, or you're not honest.
“We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to take them seriously,” the memo said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/missteps-doomed-clinton-campaign/story?id=43422676
Odd response given your other statements throughout this thread.
I’m also not the biggest Hillary fan, but she was uniquely positioned to be undeniably the most highly-qualified candidate for US President in history, having had experience as a US senator, First Lady, and Secretary of State…
So it’s not like she was a bad candidate (although I too would have preferred Bernie).
And hot take: what the DNC did to David Hogg is more overt that what they did to Bernie. I’m fucking done with this stupid party. Consider me radicalized.
Her behavior along with DNC gooners tanked Bernie's chances... 9 years later here we be🤡
Politics is politics but they botch the job and DNC has been useless since. Actions have consequences.
Could have avoided this if they didn’t snatch Biden from his grave to do the same damn thing in 2020.
DNC are controlled opposition, we’ll never escape fascism by supporting Democrats.
At least he delivered the first time tbh
The 2024 debuckle, second strike... Fool me once...
The true radicalization is when you realize that being "highly-qualified" for the presidency should be disqualifying as it means you're so well entrenched in the particular brand of pre-Trump American fascism.
Eh. Trump is very poorly qualified. Between the two main candidates in 2016, the choice was obvious. Policy aside, I still value competence as well.
Yes, I do want to see the democratic party shift left, work to repeal citizens united, all that. But I also think that actually being good at your job is important as well. If we elect a firebrand who’s radical, but who doesn’t know the constitution or how government works, then we risk just becoming Left MAGA (like MAGA but with guillotines). Which, ok, that would be an improvement over where we are now, but still.
Trump is absolutely poorly qualified, and terrible beyond that. I think fundamentally I believe more in politics and values than competence in navigating the systems of a white supremacist country.
With regards to a 'left maga' you say but still, but still what? If someone broke norms, rules, even laws in service of dismantling the prison industrial complex, jailed politicians in service of making right the genocide in Gaza, or instituted a state of emergency over climate change to align with the scientific consensus, would you argue that the norms of our country are more important?
She lost to trump. The only reason she's not the single worst candidate in US history is because Harris lost to him by a larger margin after everyone already knew what he was about.
"Yes she having cheated, but that cheating helped her win, and because she won, therefore she didn't cheat"
Is some dumb fucking logic