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Nuclear shills out in full force again today, eh?
Lemmy seems 100% astroturfed by pro-nuclear lobbyists.
Fun fact: Multiple people with opinions different than yours are not automatically astroturfers or lobbyists. Turns out, different people have different opinions which they share on an open platform. Inevitably they're going to end up disagreeing with you.
Nuclear being less efficient and more expensive than renewables is not an opinion.
What do people mean by "less efficient" in these conversations? Energy generated is energy generated, the number one efficiency we should talk about is using less of it. Past that you're just choosing to optimize for cost, ecological impact, carbon footprint, etc...
So by that logic we should build energy sources that need the smallest input to get running. That's not nuclear, hence the "less efficient".
Again, efficiency is not the same thing as scalability. You're optimizing for investment cost (maybe build time? I can't tell). If we planned/regulated our usage better that's irrelevant because power usage is predictable.
People won't need more tomorrow than today unless they make a drastic change. If electricity isn't cheap and elastic by default, they just won't buy that high watt GPU or electric car. Bitcoin isn't such an important social good that it needs instant access to a continent's worth of power, but it gobbled it up because nobody stopped it.
And even if you do need account for something unpredictable, you can still adjust with other sources. That doesn't mean they need to be the foundation of your whole grid.
Renewables needing expensive storage isn’t an opinion either.
We all want a clean, efficient, and reliable power grid. Renewables should be a big part, and I’d prefer not having a bunch of hydrocarbons being burned whenever renewables don’t even cover the base load.
Ah yes lobbyists and not just people with basic common sense, sure
Ah yes "common sense", the go to argument from everyone ranging from people who want to throw out migrants to nuclear shills.
After all, why wouldn’t we burn billions on a technology that is less efficient per kw/h, takes decades longer to build, doesn’t scale, has a worse LCOE than renewables and leaves us with toxic forever waste? It’s just common sense bro.
"After all, why wouldn’t we burn billions on a technology that requires destructive mining and large scale plastic waste production for a worse climate footprint? What a solar shill"
See, I too can make emotionally charged statements with no basis in reality. All energy solutions have more nuance than "radiation bad" or "cheap good"
All of these points are true for nuclear as well, plus it’s more expensive.
By all means, enlighten me. Show me your sources. Everything I've looked at shows current gen solar having a larger construction impact and higher lifetime greenhouse gas emissions per unit electricity.
Or is this just your "common sense"? Surely if you have such a strong opinion it's not based on sound bites and headlines?
https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-wind-nuclear-amazingly-low-carbon-footprints/
Are you agreeing with me or did you just not read your source?
Solar averages at 6gCO2/kWh compared to nuclear's 4gCO2/kWh
Here's another breakdown of the same data to make it more clear.
From the start of this thread I’ve been saying that nuclear has no substantial benefit over renewable energy while being more expensive, more rigid and excruciatingly slower to build.
The difference in 2gCO2/kwh is meaningless and even then nuclear is still getting undercut by wind. Cope harder.
Lmfao holy shit you're dense. You know you can't just drop wind turbines in any location? That insolation and geography can limit effective solar usage? That nuclear has way more flexibility?
Do you know how to read that chart? Did you notice that the majority of emissions happen upfront during construction of those sources, unlike nuclear which is amortized over its whole life span?
Did you realize that might matter quite a bit when we need to halt/reverse emissions NOW to stop spiraling?
Ignoring all that and you even admit I'm right in the end. Someone here is coping and it definitely isn't me.
This is legit some of the most braindead shit I have read in my entire life.
Not enough to be relevant
Scale is just how much you build
Continuous power generation.
We could build it faster if we were willing
That's weird, I was thinking the opposite.
It's impossible to mention nuclear without you people coming in to shill for solar.
That’s weird, I haven’t mentioned solar at all.