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Demand for the angular electric pickup has continued to falter in the first quarter, making room for a new king.

The Tesla Cybertruck has lost the top spot on the list of best-selling electric pickup trucks in the United States. After finishing 2024 as a best-seller, Tesla’s only pickup has fallen to second place in the first quarter of this year.

After the first three months, the Cybertruck had amassed 7,126 registrations. The Ford F-150 Lightning overtook it with 7,913 registrations, according to the most recent data from S&P Global Mobility. The Chevrolet Silverado EV finished the first quarter in third place, followed by the GMC Sierra EV, Rivian R1T and GMC Hummer EV.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I have such high hopes for the Slate.

I don’t want any fucking software. At all. I just want a regular-sized electric truck.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Todays regular or 1980's regular size?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Have you seen pics of it? It looks about the size of an old Toyota pickup.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Chevy Luv sized from the looks of the pictures.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Brushless DC motors are the most efficient way to make an EV. The controllers on those require software. Battery charge balancing also needs software; it's dangerous to just feed voltage to lipos.

You can't have anything like a modern EV without software of some kind. You can make a glorified golf cart, but its range/efficiency would be shit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You could run basic brushless motor and BMC firmware on a 99 cent 8 bit Atmel ATMega 328. That code requires almost nothing to run. It's all the extra shit baked in that needs all sorts of processing power.

I also want a basic barebones infotainment-delete vehicle that just has power windows,locks,AC, cruise, and 4x4/awd. I don't want some proprietary gps system or a dashboard where I have to hit 3 menu buttons on a screen I have to look at, just to change a setting (how my wife's car operates and it's a complete shit user experience).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Going a step further, one could, with a bit of difficulty, build the logic out of discrete parts (or packaged ICs) and have it simply work as an electromechanical device. Like things in cars used to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Complexity and propriety make for good income when it comes to fixing your broken fancy stuff; there's a good incentive to keep it that way. I praise the companies that make long lasting, well designed, and serviceable goods.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You could run basic brushless motor and BMC firmware on a 99 cent 8 bit Atmel ATMega 328. That code requires almost nothing to run. It's all the extra shit baked in that needs all sorts of processing power.

So what you're saying is, there's software.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Technically it's not software, it's firmware, because it's a microcontroller that runs code directly.

To my point, you don't need all the fancy bullshit that's baked into the car, the actual control systems require very little compute power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Firmware is just software. I've done this stuff, it's all just software.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When it comes to writing code, perhaps. But specifically, I disagree on principle. There's a big difference between Firmware embedded directly into ROM that requires nothing beyond the MCU to run, versus Software that requires both a host environment to compute it, host hardware to store and manipulate it, and IO peripherals to make it useful. Totally opposite ends of the OSI model.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All that comes down to abstraction. Lots of stuff has been implemented in bare metal without making the distinction. Every DOS program was almost entirely bare metal except for loading it into memory and some disk I/O.

Firmware is just a subtype of software.

ROM doesn't really exist anymore except on some legacy stuff. Certainly not on the ATmega series you were talking about. At most, these things have fuses that can be intentionally burned out after flashing so they can't be overwitten later.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Huh, That's weird, the last time I checked, the 328P had 1024b of EEPROM.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you really not know what they meant?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, they don't want any fucking software, at all. That's a very absolute statement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

That response was part of a thread of conversation. That original post talked about shortcomings of the computer controlled displays and infotainment system. The prior post adds context the indicates the post you're responding to was not making an absolute statement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

The ev part was great. It was all the other software that sucked. Most of that is shared among other fords.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

That’s going to be the question: is it regular size or tiny? As a larger guy not interested in a truck, this is a great idea and I was tempted to put down a deposit. However there are vehicles I can’t comfortably use and this could be one of them. Also, I like the customization bits but those didn’t have pricing so could make the vehicle much more expensive