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It's okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.
Not sure that's true, but alright
Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we'll all be better off if the Great Satan isn't the center of scientific progress.
The great...Satan? ...Wat? Is that Europe orr... China?
You must be young. The Iranians and other parts of the middle east have referred to us since at least the 80s, and probably before.
When we brought a bunch of Nazis in after WWII and installed them in positions of importance (like heading NASA by Wernher von Braun) I think we gave them a pretty reasonable argument.
It's like everyday I learn more and more about how shitty this country's history is.
Don't worry, you're not wrong about China — what's going on in the U.S. is just more televised.
You know, because of the 'freedoms' and whatnot.
Because you seem confused, "Satan" here would be America's insane and unstable government body who is openly trying to dismantle scientific and medical research/funding that could improve our futures and the world imho <3
I sincerely encourage you to check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide. You will see that today its used as red scare.
Lol so... you just willfully ignore the shit they do...got it
Fuckin tankies.
What you're doing is called a strawman.
Of course one should not ignore crimes against humanity. I'm saying we are reducing people, countries and systems based on what agenda we have today.
Lol no a strawman is presenting a different argument than what's being discussed. I said nothing of the sort and just called you out for your bullshit tankie thoughts. The USA isn't some bastion of freedom, but to act like china or russia is better by ignoring the shit they're currently doing is full on tankie ignorance.
My country is in serious trouble but at least we never ran over protesting college students with tanks and then washed them down the drains.
Israel runs over people with its US tanks and it's the 51st state, so, let's not throw stones in this big shitty glass house?
Thanks for the whataboutism. Israel can go fuck itself too, they are worse at the moment.
I don’t need everyone else to be perfect to level valid criticism.
The US is directly responsible for the innocent people that Israel kills. It's the 51st state. They are so fundamentally connected and Israel is so deeply reliant on the US for economic and military and legal connections that it is impossible to separate the two.
Israel would probably cease to exist if the US didn't give them unlimited backing and support.
You know what that means? That means it's not fucking """whataboutism""" to bring up Israel! Israel's crimes are US's crimes.
We weren’t talking about Israel. That’s why it’s whataboutism regardless of the veracity of your claims.
Its totally okay to criticise crimes against humanity, as I said. But china hate is not rooted in reality. They did wrong, as did everyone else.
Please note the very real situation I mentioned above. That's reality whether China wants to try and scrub it from history or not. The fact that they won't even let their citizens discuss it is telling enough. They deserve the hate.
I read that and I am aware that this has happened. I never said it didnt happen, neither did I say that it is somehow not horrendous. I'm asking you to think about the elephant in the room: horrendous things are done regularly by most developed countries. Why is china the big bad? I'm okay to learn something new, how about you?
Where did I say they were THE big bad? I’m ok with hating all authoritarian regimes including the one I live under.
Why are you so big on defending their image?
You're in for a bad surprise. Especially living in so called democracies, we are not asked an neither are the people who are killed by them. We're being silenced just as much.
I'm not defending anyones image. I just dont like blanket statements. I'm currently fighting fascists in the country i live in and people are being executed. Its not cool.
No, I wouldn't be better off living in a country where women are arrested and killed for appearing in public without a silly garment covering their head.
The women in that country would be better off without the US constantly attacking them.
Hail Satan
Only if China finally gets to choose their own leaders. Until then it is fucked up even worse.
Hahaha y'all been saying that for a decade already don't you get bored?
China is dying too silly. Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.
You're saying that as if the US economy hasn't been a fucking bubble bath ever since the stock market got created. Bubbles don't matter apparently, which is stupid but this is the world we live in.
That's the point, they don't want to make their wages incompetitively high by inflating their cost of living and thus nominal wages to the moon like the US.
That... is the goal? Factory jobs are low-added-value, you need educated people doing high wage jobs to become a developed country.
I'm not stanning China, there are plenty of shit things aobut the country, but looking from here in Europe, it looks like they are a better partner than the US. Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker's rights, no proper democracy, etc.
But China is at least stable as a trading partner.
Not that stable. Source: am Canadian. See Meng Wanzhou and the Michaels, and the police stations.
China: Don't meddle in our internal affairs.
Also China: We are going to meddle in your internal affairs.
The Chinese use trade as a weapon more than anyone but the US right now.
I think we agree on this.
Again, I'm not saying we should trust China, or that they are a positive force in the world, or even that we should indeed trade with them. We need to put our foot down about things like that.
All I'm saying is that the US somehow got worse than them. And by "stable", I don't mean "trustworthy" or anything, it's just that the US seems to be making a sport out of going back on deals, at least we can trust the CCP to look out for its own interests and not go back on the occasional win-win deal.
Again, I'm not saying that we should make more deals with China, but that the US is no better at this point, and we should figure out how to oust both their influences.
How is that different from the US. Do I need to bring up the numerous international treaties the US said nah fuck that' and everyone else was like ' OK I guess'.
"BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME"
I wish I had a dime every time I see ridiculous false equivalent nonsense on the internet.
Shit on China all you want. I know I do. The truth is though the CCP's already sending tons of rovers to the moon to find prime real estate and are heavily investing in reusable rockets like SpaceX. The US is gonna be humiliated when the next humans to return to the moon are Chinese nationals. Can we beat them before that happens? Yes, but we're making all the wrong moves both through government policy and many private space endeavors. Musk's already said he's more interested in Mars for example. The Artemis project keeps suffering severe setbacks due to it being driven by politicians and not NASA.
Nobody will be humiliated. If China gets to the moon first, great. Science is science and the long term experiments that are really worth it take too long for the originators to learn what happened or the winners to outshine anyone. For fuch sakes we are that pale blue dot...even if China gets to one side of the dot, we're still a single tiny ass dot.
I propose that we feed the billionaires to the zoo animals so we can continue to live a decent life.
The Gaza concentration camp nation and the Battle field of Ukraine have to stop. First item is to put put-in a box 6 feet under and fill it with acid so it doesn't come back. Next take all the Israel commanders and give them jail time and executions as necessary. I can't speak for other players in the game but you who don't live here might wanna state it so I can up vote it.
"There is a single light of science, and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere" -Asimov
Wow just think how much more they could accomplish if they could chose their own leaders and say things they wanted to say without being thrown in jail and tortured or killed and their capital was in Taipei and they weren't held back by a ruthless dictator who was only supposed to be a dictator for 10 years but decided he wanted to remain dictator for life.
Gee, that sounds familiar.
Hahaha y’all been saying that for a decade already don’t you get bored?
see how ridiculous it sounds? silly fake commies
What I've seen is an endless parade of liberals screaming China is "on the verge of collapse!!!1" for over a decade and I've seen the reality of China only becoming better over the same time period. There's no basis for your claim, it's just part of that same endless parade of anti-China propaganda we've all seen before.
And what I've seen is China become more powerful and life in China get better over that same time, while all those liberals kept screaming that China was going to collapse. I was a typical anti-China Western Marxist before COVID. The pandemic revealed that China is actually still a socialist project and that politics are in command when they shut down the economy instead of marching workers to the deaths, saving countless lives and advancing Chinese life expectancies above the US. That changed everything for me.
And over that same period I've seen the US get worse. In fact, it's basically gotten worse over the entire time liberals were screaming that China was on the verge of collapse. This is an empire in decline and everyone can see it, so even if you're anti-China I hope you can recognize the US is on its way out.
And soon enough, something else is going to happen that will give you the same experience. China isn't going to collapse, it's just going to continue peacefully developing and surpassing the US in more-and-more ways.
I don’t even need to win this argument, history will do it for me.
You keep saying liberals but I don't think you know what that word means. Are you speaking of the neoliberal western government or the liberals of America or liberals in Europe? Because they're immensely different groups. I can only speak of "liberals" in America and I promise you, you're entirely wrong. Liberals for years shook their head at all the things China was doing to take US business, never once was the liberal apparatus or voting bloc in america really ever antagonistic to China. Neoliberals like Biden were, kinda. But in the US conservatives have always beefed with China because they use the "they're taking our jobs" stick every four years and I mean do you think Trump is a liberal? Cause he's been the most aggressive to China than any US president in recent times
So I don't know what the hell you're talking about there. It comes off clueless and ill informed kind of like the rest of what you say.
Literally not what happened. They lied, arrested scientists trying to talk about COVID and denied it came from China ever while also being difficult to work with in informing the rest of the world what was going down and that by definition is absolutely tyrannical which is the opposite of socialist. China also marches workers to death pandemic or not, go look at the work culture in China it is abysmal.
US never changed their dirty laundry is just more visible. Maybe it seems like it got worse but queers hardly ever had rights, abortion was always a fight, worker rights are always under assault and America is funding terrorists all over, all of this since like the 50s. Where ya been?
Sounds to me like you're 12 maybe and you just dunno what the hell you're talking about, like at all. You need to get off tiktok or whatever the source for your perspective is because it's dog shit poopie diaper.
And I'm sure Hong Kong and Taiwan pulling away from China is a sign the country is doing well, sure. Let's go with that.
The truth is if you look at history empires fall together. This era of shit post WWII is just getting ready to shift. Countries like Honduras, Mexico, Indonesia, countries in Africa, the places US and China shit on, will see an increase in everything as these empires continue to bleed. That's how it goes. Rome dies gives us the Islamic golden age, Imperial British rule falls and the US grows up, US and China will continue to bleed out and fuel the countries that can fill the void.
That's funny good joke their. I'm sure the protestors in Hong Kong and Filipinos and Taiwanese folk think China is super cool. I'm sure the secret police stations they have to watch citizens overseas and their oppression of Muslims in the western parts of China aren't indictive of a country losing control and in response tightening its grip just like the US is doing and just like every other empire that bled out their power did too.
Nobody wins an argument online and with that knowledge I've obviously won here thanks 🫰
Yeah but they didn't have a Trump as a trump card