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Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we'll all be better off if the Great Satan isn't the center of scientific progress.
The great...Satan? ...Wat? Is that Europe orr... China?
You must be young. The Iranians and other parts of the middle east have referred to us since at least the 80s, and probably before.
When we brought a bunch of Nazis in after WWII and installed them in positions of importance (like heading NASA by Wernher von Braun) I think we gave them a pretty reasonable argument.
It's like everyday I learn more and more about how shitty this country's history is.
Don't worry, you're not wrong about China — what's going on in the U.S. is just more televised.
You know, because of the 'freedoms' and whatnot.
If you dig into any country's history you're going to find some gems.
Honestly, operation paperclip doesn't even make it into the top 10.
Consider this, we could have put them on trial, but they were low down enough to get some jail time and then get sent back to Germany at worst. We could have let the Russian have them, or we could have just executed them. All in, bringing them here and using their expertise isn't the worst thing.
Because you seem confused, "Satan" here would be America's insane and unstable government body who is openly trying to dismantle scientific and medical research/funding that could improve our futures and the world imho <3
I sincerely encourage you to check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide. You will see that today its used as red scare.
Lol so... you just willfully ignore the shit they do...got it
Fuckin tankies.
What you're doing is called a strawman.
Of course one should not ignore crimes against humanity. I'm saying we are reducing people, countries and systems based on what agenda we have today.
Lol no a strawman is presenting a different argument than what's being discussed. I said nothing of the sort and just called you out for your bullshit tankie thoughts. The USA isn't some bastion of freedom, but to act like china or russia is better by ignoring the shit they're currently doing is full on tankie ignorance.
here is the argument
this is a strawman. I never said I'd want to ignore anything. You brought that up and tried to fight me for it. That is literally the meaning of a strawman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
So no, you're trying to push red scare and that is at best naive or at worst deliberate antisocialist propaganda.
You are doing the tankie thing again.
Feel free to elaborate.
I regard you as a bad faith debater. You just blocked a guy for pointing out your own words. So there's really nothing to add. My words would be wasted. You seem to have no real concept of a conversation. Feel free to block everyone else too. It doesn't hurt anyone.
Why then even say something? The other person was dealing in bad faith themselves. I pointed out in good faith that it is okay to criticize china but its not okay to reduce someone solely on their former deeds. Its the same as calling germany a nazi shithole (but that is becoming increasingly true) today just because of the holocaust.
I blocked them because they were repeating themselves and being condescending, which i encourage everyone to do because debate isnt just being right but also being fair.
You literally said ignore those about genocide lol that's you... quoting yourself. I called you out on it... ROFL
I did not and I explained it well. This is going nowhere. You're going on the blocklist. Bye.
My country is in serious trouble but at least we never ran over protesting college students with tanks and then washed them down the drains.
Israel runs over people with its US tanks and it's the 51st state, so, let's not throw stones in this big shitty glass house?
Thanks for the whataboutism. Israel can go fuck itself too, they are worse at the moment.
I don’t need everyone else to be perfect to level valid criticism.
The US is directly responsible for the innocent people that Israel kills. It's the 51st state. They are so fundamentally connected and Israel is so deeply reliant on the US for economic and military and legal connections that it is impossible to separate the two.
Israel would probably cease to exist if the US didn't give them unlimited backing and support.
You know what that means? That means it's not fucking """whataboutism""" to bring up Israel! Israel's crimes are US's crimes.
We weren’t talking about Israel. That’s why it’s whataboutism regardless of the veracity of your claims.
We are talking about Israel, because we are talking about the US. It's the 51st state. You don't get to separate the two as if they are totally different countries that are unrelated to each other. Israel's crimes are US crimes.
The United States is comprised of 50 states so your hyperbole is going nowhere. Israel is a separate nation no matter how close friends the pair of assholes are. You have not countered my argument.
Your only argument seems to be "well there's only 50 stars on the flag, so, checkmate 😏". Israel isn't a real nation, it's just an extension of the US empire. Israel literally can not exist without US support and the US will give Israel unlimited support no matter what. They're intertwined so deeply that they can't be separated. Israel would collapse the instant the US stopped propping it up.
I repeat, it's not a real country. It was created with the stroke of a pen and will end with one. Israel's crimes are US crimes.
You don't get it yet, but I think you will. I don't even need to win this argument. History will do it for me.
Its totally okay to criticise crimes against humanity, as I said. But china hate is not rooted in reality. They did wrong, as did everyone else.
Please note the very real situation I mentioned above. That's reality whether China wants to try and scrub it from history or not. The fact that they won't even let their citizens discuss it is telling enough. They deserve the hate.
I read that and I am aware that this has happened. I never said it didnt happen, neither did I say that it is somehow not horrendous. I'm asking you to think about the elephant in the room: horrendous things are done regularly by most developed countries. Why is china the big bad? I'm okay to learn something new, how about you?
Where did I say they were THE big bad? I’m ok with hating all authoritarian regimes including the one I live under.
Why are you so big on defending their image?
You're in for a bad surprise. Especially living in so called democracies, we are not asked an neither are the people who are killed by them. We're being silenced just as much.
I'm not defending anyones image. I just dont like blanket statements. I'm currently fighting fascists in the country i live in and people are being executed. Its not cool.
Yes is sucks for the Chinese that their government keeps committing genocide and they don't have any way to end that by choosing their own leaders. Except for our lucky friends in Taiwan.
No, I wouldn't be better off living in a country where women are arrested and killed for appearing in public without a silly garment covering their head.
The women in that country would be better off without the US constantly attacking them.
Hail Satan