Flippanarchy
Flippant Anarchism. A lighter take on social criticism with the aim of agitation.
Post humorous takes on capitalism and the states which prop it up. Memes, shitposting, screenshots of humorous good takes, discussions making fun of some reactionary online, it all works.
This community is anarchist-flavored. Reactionary takes won't be tolerated.
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Absolutely no right-wing jokes. This includes "Anarcho"-Capitalist concepts.
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Absolutely no redfash jokes. This includes anything that props up the capitalist ruling classes pretending to be communists.
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No bigotry whatsoever. See instance rules.
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This is an anarchist comm. You don't have to be an anarchist to post, but you should at least understand what anarchism actually is. We're not here to educate you.
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No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
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I've tried reasoning with you before so I know you won't listen, you are a devout believer in voting blue no matter who and I'd have about as much luck trying to reason with you as if I tried to convince my parents to become atheists.
Everything you say is wrong, and your words constantly show your true beliefs that you refuse to admit. For example, "The Dems told Palestinian activists to wait their turn to talk," when in fact they disrupted protests through force, arrested many of them, denounced them as antisemites, and refused to give even the token gesture of allowing a Palestinians speaker at the convention. You don't mind any of that, because despite what you'll say, you don't care about the issue.
I have no interest in discussing anything further with you.
The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality. Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have. Where there's a will, there's a way, but when there isn't a will, there certainly isn't a way - this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don't), because you don't actually want to find an alternative, because you're not in the market for one at all.
But, as a liberal, you can't actually stand for anything, even liberalism. You exaxtly fit MLK's description of the white moderate who is always saying, "I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods" and is always telling people to "wait for a more convenient time." We've been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Nope. I can remember you now, the moment someone on the left criticizes your deeply flawed attempt at praxis, you turn into the sincerity police and declare them to be liberals. This is extremely transparent
False. I am actively opposed to bad plans. I care more about actually securing a leftist government than about virtue signaling to online revolutionary cosplayers, which means I focus more on material solutions than lofty ideology.
False, I'm simply aware of what we already have, and which actions are incapable of changing it.
Precisely my point. The American people lack the will. Maybe that will change, but for now that is the case.
Once again, false. But again, I'm not in the market for ineffective virtue signal "alternatives" like protest voting third party in the general election. I'm in the market for effective alternatives, like democratizing workplaces and building grassroots campaigns in local elections so that one day we can have a viable leftist candidate in the general election.
Which would have come close to an interesting point if your methods worked. But they don't. It's not liberalism to reject counterproductive methods. I don't consider anyone who abandons the material dialectic for ideological grandstanding to be a leftist. You are a cosplayer with a romanticized vision of revolution, and none of the tact or organization so essentially necessary to enact that revolution.
methinks thou doth protest too much
Which is why I came to a hostile community to criticize ineffective ideological purity and get called a liberal? Who exactly am I signaling virtue to here?
voting democrat is an ineffective virtue signal.
How could you possibly come to that conclusion? How is that a virtue signal?
did you vote for Democrats? was it effective?
ipso facto
Did you not? Was that effective at accomplishing your policy goals? Did the party realize the error of their ways and shift radically left? Oh, they're already floating running Harris again? Huh.
if you know voting doesn't work, then we're done here
Voting works for what it's designed to do: select the most popular candidate among voters. If you didn't vote, or voted for an unpopular candidate, that's not the fault of the election. What it doesn't work for is unfocused feedback against a party. When Hilary lost, we got Biden. When Biden was rebuffed, we got Harris.
Hitting a bolt with a wench instead of using it as intended is not proof that wrenches don't work. You're just using it wrong.
you know that you didn't stop trump by voting.
I came very close. Another couple percent of the voters and it would have worked, it was a very achievable goal.
How many percent short were you?
but it didn't work. it never has stopped him.
The vote totals were closer to my goals than yours, in my state. How much do you have to fuck around with the math to make Illinois not only go red, but be the tipping point state? That's a completely unrealistic fantasy, and most Americans are in similar boats.
Were they? Harris won Illinois, so it looks like the opposite is in fact true. And I must have missed the part of your plan where you tailored it strategically based on state. It seems like you're telling everyone to act the same way, in which case vote margins of each state aren't really relevant.
That's an interesting claim. What you're telling me is that your strategy delivered Harris a victory in Illinois. Now, if we take your strategy to be, simply, "Be a liberal and vote for liberals because you're a liberal," then sure, it was because of liberals like you that she won. But if your strategy is, "Be a leftist, but act in a way that's completely indistinguishable from liberals," then whether the specific faction you represent was significant enough to determine whether she won or lost the state depends on how many of you there are. And that number is impossible to determine, since they act in a way that's completely indistinguishable from liberals, there is no quality I'm aware of that we could look at that would tell us if that number is 1% or 90% of Harris voters.
Now, obviously, you are a liberal and the first interpretation is correct. But if I were to entertain your absurd pretense that you're not a liberal, that there's some meaningful distinction between your position and liberalism, then it seems very likely that all your faction accomplished was increasing the margin of victory a bit. Harris would have won anyway because of the number of liberal voters. Furthermore, no matter how much stronger you faction got here, it would continue to have zero influence over the outcome of the presidential election, because Harris is always going to get 100% of the electoral college votes here no matter what. Meaning that your strategy is both ineffective, but lacks even the theoretical potential to be effective.
It seems like you're telling everyone to act the same way, in which case the situation of each state is relevant, because of any state should not follow your advice then you are wrong to proscribe it universally. Your argument cuts both ways.
You are just as obviously a fascist sympathizer trying to ensure they stay in power by encouraging leftists to act stupidly.
There's a difference between strategy and liberalism. But if you don't understand strategy, then you must be a fascist trying to splinter the left because you're acting indistinguishably from a fascist trying to splinter the left.