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Not if the people examining my documents are morons, no.
I have a birth certificate, I have a passport and a passport card. None of that is a defense against "It's fake".
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id
Pretty much. The fact is that ICE does stuff like beat up and arrest a state-level union president because they don't like the color of his skin.
Don't call it an arrest.
It's detainment. Kidnapping even. But an arrest has certain procedures and requirements that are not being followed by ICE.
So does detainment. The fact that they are not following the procedures and requirements makes it an unlawful arrest or, as you correctly pointed out, kidnapping.
Another thing to consider is the recording of a ICE kidnapping where the person said they were a natural born citizen, when asked for proof they didn't have their birth certificate on them... While in the car.. driving to work.
The white paper birth certificate... That in my case is over 50 years old, and embossed with a stamp the clerks office likely got at the local trophy shop. That's it.
Drivers license including the Real ID ones don't count it seems.
So, yes. It's being used to indiscriminately arrest who they want like the Stasi fucks they are.
Insane that the Real ID ones won't count when you need a brith certificate to get one.
Do you not need a birth certificate to get a drivers license in the US?
Nor do you in most countries. Generally, a passport is the most authoritative form of identification.
Not op, but most countries provide an ID that is not a passport. It needs a birth certificate. In my country that ID is far more authoritative than a passport and it even allows ingress to the country in case the passport is lost.
This ID issue is a very US thing. Most governments keep a tight registry of citizens and wouldn't have any doubt about who is and isn't a citizen.
I’d hope Ingress would be allowed in if their birth certificate said they were born there!
Do you travel abroad with your birth certificate on you?
Too poor to travel
Right but you need a birth certificate to get a US passport dont you?
Yes, because a passport is based on citizenship.
You can use a birth certificate but it's not required, there's other methods to prove your identity.
That's no longer true. That's what the RealID is about.
While there is an option to have a driver's license as a Real ID, not all driver's licenses are Real IDs. Not sure the majority are tbh.
Usually you need multiple forms of identification, and the birth certificate could count as one, but isn't required because non-citizens can get a driver's license if they are here long enough. Someone spending the decade or so going through the slow ass process to get their citizenship needs a driver's license during that decade.
Let's see the citizenship proof of every ICE agent.
I’ve been thinking about getting a passport card just to have a proof of citizenship in my wallet at all times.
They picked up at least once citizen who had his passport card on him and put him in detention anyway, saying the card was fake. Which is why due process for everyone is important, because otherwise you'd never get the opportunity to prove you're really a citizen.
Passport cards should be trivially easy for government officials to validate, if they care to. Border agents can, after all. Simply confiscating them and saying "they're fake" shows they don't care whether it is fake or not.
If you have any melanin at all, you should carry your passport card with you at all times, but also keep your full passport at home, in a location that your family and/or trusted friends know about, so they can produce it when ICE comes for you and confiscates your passport card.
ICE doesn't care if your skin is too dark, or your name sounds vaguely Arabic or Spanish.
Or if you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time, especially when they need to make a quota.
It's a good idea, I like that I can use it to go to Canada and Mexico without rolling out the real deal passport, but it also passes the Real ID test for domestic flights.
Its your word and evidence against the word and ignorance and willingness to kick you out of a racist asshole.
Literally all you really need, fundamentally, is to have memorized your SSN. Your SSN’s validity cant be faked. It proves you are who you say you are at the drop of a hat. If its valid enough for a bank to loan you money through a phone, just because you know your name and your SSN and those match, then it should be good enough for ICE. Its good enough for normal law enforcement already.
And yes, many undocumented people have fake SSNs, but they are not real numbers that tie properly to persons name. They wouldnt pass an EVerify system
SSN is not proof of identity.
https://www.usbirthcertificates.com/articles/acceptable-forms-of-id#%3A%7E%3Atext=No%2C+a+Social+Security+card%2Cused+to+confirm+someone%27s+identity.
Is a social security card a form of ID?
No, a Social Security card is not a form of ID. It only verifies the connection between a name and a Social Security Number.
As it does not have a photograph or other features needed to confirm identity, it cannot be used to confirm someone's identity.
My birth certificate doesnt have a photo of me on it either.
DLs and other photo documentation are easily faked in comparison to a SSN.
My comment was meant in the assumption that you have a normal form of ID as well. While your ID could easily be faked to show your picture, only you should know your social security number. Thereby identifying the validity of your photo ID.
Regardless, many government databases should have your photo ID from drivers licenses, passports, etc, tied to your social
I have literally used only my SSN to prove my identity to a game warden before. I didnt have my ID because I was out fishing in a boat. We got checked for licenses. I gave him my social and all was good. ICE should be no different than that
Most kids don't have the set of photos you describe in government databases.
Are children the target audience of the article?
Are children likely to be detained independently of a guardian?
ICE has been raiding elementary schools in the past few days.
I dont expect 2nd graders to read the article.
yes? literally separating families has been the hallmark of this and the last Trump administration. Famously.
Did you sleep through the last ten years or something?
Birth certificate is proof of citizenship, not identity.
This is why it's only one document you submit when getting a passport.
"ICE should" is doing an awful lot of work in your posts at a time when clearly ICE aren't even remotely following correct procedure.
How embarrassing for you that you still think they give a fuck about what would be proof or not lol
Time to get a global entry card as well.
So ICE considers my government issued IDs are 'fake'....
Then we counter with saying that ICEs badges are fake and start shooting them in the fucking face if they ever try to take my wife away.
Alternately, ICE agents aren't trained/are too dumb to identify fake IDs...