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This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.
I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran's, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.
It's not just their total disconnect from history (were they born yesterday?), it's their translating scorn for Israel's actions in the region to mean that Israel's opponents must be the good guys.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years. Just because the Shah was bad doesn't make the Ayatollahs good.
Hamas and Hezbollah are literally terrorist organizations, and Hamas holds onto power in Gaza by oppression and violence. If they both weren't getting massive support from Iran, there might be a negotiating partner for Israel in Palestine like Arafat was.
Without Iran's support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Israel is literally a terrorist country.
Yeah that isn't the flex you think it is
Maybe you can explain what you thought the flex was.
I don't debate Zionists, they don't argue in good faith.
Hypocrisy suits you.
Hypocrisy is supporting terrorist Israel
"terrorist organizations" by the designation of countries who currently commit or support the committment of genocide. Of course states and their militaries committing acts of terror somehow don't end in a designation as "terrorist organizations"
Meanwhile Israel is arming gangs with ISIS ties in Gaza to pillage humanitarian aid, while the Hamas "terrorists" try to defend that aid.
However none of the states that designate Hamas as "terrorist organization" will give Israel consequences for being a "terrorist supporter" despite arming "terrorists" with ISIS ties. ISIS that has committed terror attacks in the countries allied to Israel, which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have done.
Nelson Mandela was literally a terrorist too.
You realize Lemmy is a network of federated servers right? Like, I’m not on the same website as you but you’re reading my message.
A lot of people don't, they just know it's where to go when you get fed up with reddit
I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn't Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel's active personnel? Iirc they're one of the largest armies in ME.
Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they're still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.
Perhaps this map will help:
To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!
Iran's standing forces are kind of irrelevant without a way to get them to Israel.
Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.
The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran's nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.
The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.
Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.
And by "bullying anyone" you mean active countermeasures against the party, which FOR YEARS has been suggesting to wipe the country off the globe, and was aiming to create nuclear weapons just for that.
How "convenient" of you to skip the public death wishes before being neutralized. 💁
/S
Iran has 82 million inhabitants.
The amount of people willing to die for this regime is much much smaller. 16% are Azerí, 10% Kurds and 2% Balochi, all groups who would rather die than fight for the IRI. Not that this would stop the IRI from pressing 15 year olds into service, but there wouldn't be many volunteers.
They don't have to like the Iranian government to want to fight against Israel attacking them
You are delusional that most iranians won't defend their country just because the regime is evil
true. there was almost certainly a lot of inside help getting attack drones near the sites hit on Friday.
By comparison, a large amount of Israelis are ultra-religious nutjobs that refuse to join their army. And of course many of them have european and american passports and houses in the west to flee to. Colonialism pays. Iran has the right on their side, their people will certainly put their backs into it to a greater degree than Israel.
That is an extremely implausible number. Where in the world did you hear it?
You can't trust any number when it come to conflicts but will minimize the number of their casualities and overexageratr thr casuality of the other side
Yeah the entire discourse about this conflict here is even more stupider than on reddit
They didn't say Iran was going to singlehandedly do it
Realistically, it well be climate change that does them in, not a military conflict.
You fail to realize all of the countries Israel has been attacking working together, like how Germany fell. It's just a matter of time.
Anyways. You're free to leave.
Oh sure, Iran is super popular in the region. I'm sure all their allies will be riding to their defense any day now.
Oh don't get me wrong. Fuck Iran. But fuck Israel too. They have been attacking everybody around them.
I don't believe anyone is saying Iran is capable of doing it, just that it'd be a good day when it finally does happen.
Israel has all the best toys from their sugar-daddy America. Of course a handful of out-dated Iranian drones won't do shit.
In the last 24 hours I had the pleasure of interacting with multiple users who are 100% sure Iran is stronger than Israel.
Look man, people just want to experience a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world. We don't care if it is realistic or not. It keeps hope alive.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
How can any change happen if there is only a limited willingness to perveive reality and analyze it?
By allowing people to relieve some stress and engage in a little revolutionary optimism every now and then, even if it is far fetched and not realistic, so that people can retain their mental health and remember what it feels like to actually have hope about something in this shithole of a world we find ourselves.
You can't change anything if you don't have hope for a brighter future. This builds hope, even if it has to reach for it.
Not everything at every waking moment needs to be analyzed in depth. At this current moment, none of us could affect the outcome of this situation anyway, so let people fantasize.
Magical thinking won’t save us.
Its crazy right? I'm so tired of reddit alternatives being taken over by lunatics. So tired man.
Go back to r/worldnews
Plenty of lunatics on Reddit though too.
Which social website do you know that is all facts and no feelings, please tell me, I wanna move there. And make it decentralized too, so no bozo can buy it tomorrow and make it shit too.
PS: got some quotes from reddit that show what people who think just like you think of other websites:
it's an excuse for extremists to indulge conspiracy fantasies and hate jews openly
You don’t have to be an extremist to hate them…
Fuck Israel.
Said the one supporting a terrorist state oppresing palestinians for 57 years
I don’t support Israel you absolute weirdo.
Rant in agreement, not directed at you: I got banned from /c/progressivepolitics for sharing a dozen reputable links with the most obvious history of Iran in the last 50 years. Fuck Iran. Fuck their government. Fuck bigotry. Fuck classsism. And fuck you antisemites looking for any enemy of the Jews to cheer on. You're transparent, full of shit and argue in bad faith. Best case this place is flooded with Russian bots. You know, the ones pushing the Ukraine with the Jewish leader are the Nazis, Russians? And now the Jews, who Russians fucking adore, are the Nazis everywhere. Jfc. Clearly Israel's regime and Likud are fucking deplorable. Don't pretend you care about Palestinians more than an excuse to pipe up about the Jews. I fucking hate this site. I think I'm done. Siding with fucking Iran?!?! On anything?! The West should fucking level their nuclear infrastructure and pull a Nicaragua on their government if Israel doesn't succeed first. Fuck that shithole terrorist funding country. Bc we care about rehoming all the exiled Persians, right? Bc the migrants? Right? Bc we care about them no matter where they're from, right? So women can wear bikinis and get doctorates, right? So people can be gay and practice the religion they want, right? Disingenuous bullshit motherfuckers on here. Rot in hell you Nazi tanky bootlicking fucks and fuck you fake leftist preachy privileged little shits. Iran is not good. They have lots of enemies that are as shitty as them, but only the Jews getting you cheering for Iran. Read a fucking history book or a fucking news article from literally less than a year ago, and see who you're cheering, you ignorant cunts.