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There's a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution
Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.
Critique: with some regimes, it's not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.
Case samples:
...etc. In some places, you can't organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it's vastly preferable. :)
When Palestinians protest peacefully they get shot at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests
When foreigners peacefully protest in solidarity they get shot or run over.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
Thanks for correcting. You're right, I should have written something else than "probably yes" about Israel under Netanyahu. :(
Your point is so important that I don't think it can be stressed enough.
Nonviolent protests are more popular in public opinion. Public opinion gets you more people on your side. More people on your side is more power, and when the regime starts cracking down on peaceful protests, it will be easier to get more people to fight than it would be of we advocate for violence from the start.
I gotta ask, how the hell was the US in the 1960s a safe place to nonviolently protest? Police violence aimed at colored protesters during that era was notorious. Plus the church bombings, the lynchings, the assassinations...
Imaginary history.
They murdered hundreds of palestinians during peaceful protests. GTFO with this BS.
How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.
I may list it as many times as I need. I was born there and grew up there, and have a whole lot of information about how life was.
LOL
https://inthesetimes.com/article/wikileaks-docs-expose-famed-serbian-activists-ties-to-shadow-cia
Telling you have the name perestroika, by the hated traitor Gorbachev putting them in misery while corrupt oligarchs from the west leeched on Russia.
LOL complete BS
Tankies are going to hate this comment.
Bcs it's garbage
^^
For hell's sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.
And like clockwork, here they come crawling out of the woodworks ...
"Oh no, the evil tankies are here to give facts against my CIA-manufactured sinophobic propaganda :("
Please, answer: have you ever watched the entire thing?
Have you ever watched this, tankboy?
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
I especially liked the bit about using tanks to make human pie, and then flushing the pie down the drains.
This literally shows exactly what I'm saying... There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew...
Regardless, I've compiled all of the sources from the article:
Or, even worse:
So essentially: either "source: trust me bro", or "source: external actor from a geopolitically opposed nation". Would you be taking "a secret Russian cable from the time alleged that" with regard to, e.g., police repression in BLM protests?
Lmao especially at the main (and last) source from the article:
Like, how is this not an obvious CIA front organization? Are you actually that gullible? It's literally "freedom eagle burger institute"...
Again with the western sources. This is laughable, and the fact that you would even consider this serious makes you so pathetically gullible that I'm this close to giving up talking with you, but let's go ahead.
"Bro I swear, a Chinese official whom I won't name told me all of this the same day, I swear bro. It doesn't matter that my country is an anticommunist capitalist regime with clear motives to make up atrocity propaganda as it's done many times in the past, just trust me bro". What a fucking joke of a source.
Anyway, all of this isn't to say there was no violence in the Tiananmen protests. Protesters were indeed killed by the army, I'm not arguing against this, I literally only talked about the tankman picture before.
But, as your picture evidence proves (there are literally burnt tanks and murdered soldiers in the pictures), this isn't because "le evil seeseepee authoritarians against peaceful wholesome 100 protesters". The article actually contradicts the western press reports at the time, which confirmed that the military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square, proving that your article is mostly manufactured western anticommunist propaganda.
The violence started from the protestors against the military, and the military responded. I'm not claiming the response was appropriate, limited and not brutal, I am not really aware of the numbers and I honestly don't care much to know, they dwarf in comparison with the hundreds of millions of lives that China saved through the land collectivisation policies in the Mao times, the accessibility to decent healthcare, and the decolonisation of China.
Bonus point: funny how there is a widespread availability of HQ pictures from a 1989 protest and the victims of state violence in China, but we live in 2025 fully into the smartphone era and there isn't a single shred of photographic evidence of the famous so-called "Uyghur genocide"
Oh wow, so I wonder what happened to Tank Man afterwards. He must be pretty famous in China then for starring in such an iconic picture. Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why's that?
Oh yes, my bad, that totally makes it ok. Massacres outside the square don't count. ☺️
Thanks for completely ignoring my analysis of the sources of your "have you seen this, you filthy commie?" article. Kinda proving that you're arguing from vibes here and not from material evidence.
Because he's an anonymous dude only known from a low-res video that absolutely doesn't allow for identification?
You're being purposefully obtuse. I explicitly said that the degree of repression was probably overboard and unnecessary, and a dark episode in Chinese history. You're literally ignoring my reasonable points and arguing against strawmans, while refusing to do the bare minimum analysis of the sources of your material
Imagine this overt troll complaining about people crawling out of the woodwork.
Yet here you are 😘
Of course not. Nobody actually watches the video. They just see Lego memes of the picture and conclude "Communism Killed 100 Zillion People"
You do realize that he wasn't run over unlike the Palestinians who do get run over by Israeli tanks.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-israeli-tanks-deliberately-running-over-dozens-palestinians-alive
Not just Palestinians, Rachel Corrie got run over by an Israeli bulldozer and she was a peaceful protestor from the US.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
Sounds like pure 100% propaganda. No surprise from angry loser account.
thanks CIA, your cringe BS is still cringe.
Guess that's all you have, certainly not arguments
So let me get this clear: your position is that I am CIA and that the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen?
Is that correct, or am I missing something? Feel free to use "arguments" to explain yourself.
They already are. :) I didn't quite expect this effect, but I welcome it. :)
Crazy how triggered (and retarded) they are. Even got one who, rather than admitting he was wrong, doubled down arguing that the GDR was a USSR member state. For some reason that was important to his "argument".
It's crazy to talk about the US Civil Rights movement as peaceful, given the police / domestic terrorist bloodbath it resulted in.
How many civil rights leaders need to be shot to death before a movement isn't peaceful anymore?
I understood US Civil Rights movement to be peaceful, as in the people in the movement did not instigate violence. Calling a protest violent because those in power struck back violently seems nonsensical to me.
I'm more responding to
then citing the US during the civil rights movement as a place where non-violent protest was possible.
When the police run into a crowd with attack dogs and billy clubs, while members of a white mob drag black demonstrators off to the nearest large tree to be lynched, I can't imagine how you define that as "peaceful".
The police running into the crowd are violent, certainly; as is the white mob. The response to a movement being violent doesn't make the movement violent, any more than getting mugged makes the victim violent.
It makes the event violent, which poisons the movement and discourages more civilians from participating.
The '60s Civil Rights Movement wasn't the first such movement in the US. We'd had multiple protest waves and minority ethnic civil revolts going straight back to emancipation (and before it). They largely failed because they could not win enough support from the broader proletariat.
The '60s movement was only seen as a success because it won legislative and private sector concessions in a way prior movements failed to achieve. That happened first and foremost in cities and states where the police didn't come in guns blazing and the political apparatus was ready to negotiate concessions quickly, to avoid further economic disruption. Those that did failed to enjoy the 60s/70s era of rapid economic growth and lost national influence as a result.
But to say the Civil Rights Movement succeeded where it began? In Selma, Alabama and Little Rock, Arkansas, and the Mississippi Delta? Absolutely not. State violence crushed it. The movement ended in violence in these early enclaves. It was not peaceful because it was not received peacefully.
Not sure you should include Gorbachev since he illegally dissolved the USSR against the will of the people.
Seems to be just about everybody wanted to leave the USSR.
Yes, the USSR, famous for respecting the will of the people ...
The end of East Germany was crazy precisely because it was so peaceful. A number of popular outcries in the late 80s instigated civil reforms. And then one of the defense ministers was asked on national TV in '89 "hey, does this mean we don't need the Berlin Wall anymore". He shrugged and confessed it was no longer needed. And the military took that as a signal to step aside and let the wall get torn down.
In less than six months, the country was holding free elections. And by the following year, they'd reunified.
No shots fired. A purely popular and peaceful revolution that happened practically overnight, by historical standards.
Excuse me, I have a question. Who was the leader of the USSR when this happened?
Gorbachev.
However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.
Ah Schrödinger's Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.
Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?