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It's never worked so far, I don't see why the DNC is about to start.
The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates. We do. In the primaries. That’s what primaries are.
The problem isn't the "DNC" it's the Democratic establishment. That includes all their operatives in media that help keep the masses in check. The sad fact is that not enough voters pay that much attention. The vast majority of the time, the establishment gets their pick.
They don’t get their pick. The relentless retirees do, if the working class doesn’t participate in the primaries. I’ve volunteered many times over the last 25 years. The elderly come in droves. They also have very different needs than the working class.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout. The 2025 NYC Mayoral Democratic primary saw 30%, up from 21% in 2021. That’s all it took to make a difference.
This is something voters need to own. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule. Research the candidates in the primary and vote.
You're not wrong, but where do the retirees get their news? Most of the retirees I know are all way to manipulated by cable news, and that is nothing but 24x7 establishment propaganda.
Absolutely. They also have no need to vote in favor of minimum wage increases or any other benefits for the working class. Their biggest concern is low taxes on their retirement accounts, which is why they pick the centrist Democrat when voting in the Democratic primary.
That's part of it, but not everything. In the 2020 presidential primary the number one issue for everyone, including seniors, was electability. Beating Trump was what Democratic voters cared about, and cable news blared the false but believable message that only a centrist who could capture Republican votes could do that.
Another big issue is, oddly enough, minority voters. Minorities are not all that different from other populations in their policy views, but they do tend to be far more committed to the team blue. (Though that commitment is waning). That means that minority conservatives tend to vote in Democratic primaries, giving us more conservative Democratic nominations.
I really wish more people would vote on something other than their own perceived self interest. Barring that dream, we need to fix broken perceptions. The people seniors and others are voting for, in both primaries and general elections, don't actually serve the interests of their voters.
True. There’s also the problem of closed primaries. You’d never believe how many independents and other third-party registered voters were turned away at the polls in the 2016 primary in NY. 30/50 states have closed primaries, and people participate in them so rarely, they didn’t know any better.
The sad thing is that the primary process is entirely controlled by the state parties. There is nothing in the way to reform but Democrats. There ought to be crazy outrage that the Democrats run such an undemocratic process, but too many Democratic supporters bristle at any criticism of the party.
Agreed. The problem is that people have fallen into such a defeatist complaint loop that they don’t vote anymore. So let’s get everyone doing their part, and expose the flaws or corruption left behind. We’re not changing anything by blaming the DNC or establishment Democrats if we don’t actually participate when it’s time to vote.
You are just too fucking reasonable. Gimme something to flame you on already! Godspeed friend.
The problem isn't water, it's H2O.
It wasn't that long of a comment. You really couldn't get to the end before responding?
😂😂😂 “The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates.” 🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone else remember the primary we didn’t have for the 2024 election? Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016? Or how about the fact that you can’t even run as a Democrat unless you bring them at least $1m in fundraising?
We had a primary in 2024. He was pressured into stepping down after winning. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton’s collusion was reprehensible, and also extremely rare.
I’m also referring to the congressional and state primaries that only see 15% attendance, yet you, like most Americans, think we only vote once every four years.
With the party suing as many opponents off as many state ballots as they could. There was only one candidate that made it to the ballot in all 50 states. Like party leadership wanted.
And dear god did centrists lose their absolute shit at people who voted uncommitted in their pretend primaries.
You mean the primary where less than 30% of voters even participated in, with most just being lazy and sitting at home?
(source: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/06/10/turnout-was-high-in-the-2016-primary-season-but-just-short-of-2008-record/)
"Record" lol. This is not a fuctional democracy if people just refuses to participate. Like literally every primary has horrible turnout. People this lazy don't deserve a democracy.
Uh-huh
What's Cuomo doing right now? Oh yeah, ignoring the primary.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose. The DNC and RNC have too many contenders, so they run primaries to let us pick their candidates. That’s what primary elections are.
And how much do you want to bet he will be backed and supported by the DNC during his 'independent' campaign?
If anything, they’d give Adams money. They occasionally fund spoilers, just like the RNC. Even though Adams is on the Republican ticket, he’s more likely to be the spoiler in the general election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_effect
He knows exactly what he's doing
Yep, and a losing candidate can choose to participate in the general to ensure the opposing party wins by splitting the vote, which is what the establishment Dems do when a progressive successfully primaries the..
First of all, if Cuomo runs as an independent, he’ll make Adams the spoiler to his platform. Secondly, there are only ~350k millionaires in NYC. They’re the ones who will be taxed more by Mamdani’s plan. You’re acting like the city is run by them, but we got the numbers. We just need to show up and vote.
It's literally ranked choice voting. There is hardly any spoiler effect unless there are so many candidates you couldn't possibly find the one's you want to vote for.
The Democratic primary was RCV. The general election will be FPTP.
Ah, fair enough. I genuinely thought it would be RCV, I guess I mixed them up.
But yeah, in that case spoiler candidates are a thing.
I’ve lived in NY since the 70s. Being on the Democratic ticket is all he needs for the average know-nothing voter. He just beat out six other candidates with a grassroots primary campaign. He doesn’t need their money. He just needed to be in the blue/working families column.
But sure, tell me all about how you know everything. I’ll be sure to take notes.
Winning the primary =/= actually getting the support of the party apparatus behind you.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare his support to Adams’ 2021 purse. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
I really don't think they care. These people have no shame. I read that 40% of the leading Democrats that endorsed Cuomo had previously called for his resignation after his numerous sexual assaults came to light. The party that lauds itself as the champion of and defender of women's and minority rights rallied hard to support a corrupt sexual predator over a Muslim, simply because he was progressive instead of a conservative. Hell, arch sex pest Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo.
These people have no shame. "Calling people out" or "slamming" people means nothing. If calling people out changed their behavior, Cuomo, who sexually assaulted at least a dozen women, would have never been seen in public again.
Seriously. How can you think that leaders that openly endorse a sexual molester give a single fuck about being called out publicly for their bad behavior?
They may have no shame, but Zohran has no chill. We’ll find out soon enough.
what the fuck does this even mean? honest query
I would take it to mean that if they start to do him dirty he won't be passive about it like Bernie, and he'll put them on blast with proof of how they're rat fucking him compared to their preferred candidate.
I loved Bernie but man he should have swung low when the DNC started their shit.
would enjoy seeing that...
He will not be quiet about corruption. He’ll make sure every last person in the nation hears about their wrongdoings, and use it as leverage for his campaign. Watch videos of him debating Cuomo. Not one of Cuomo’s attacks go unanswered.
this would make me happy
Yeah, Pete definitely won the Iowa caucus.
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That's funny, and cute you believe that.
We literally just picked the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor. What about that is confusing to you? If the DNC didn’t want him, they shouldn’t have allowed him in the primary. That part is over now. Zohran Mamdani is the Democratic candidate. That’s how primaries work. Stop misinforming people. Most are uninformed on the process as it is.
You realise you can present historical actions that support your argument without being a complete bellend about it, right?
For example, in 2015 Bernie Sanders was becoming a hot favourite to become the public's new pin-up boy for the 2016 presidential run. Unfortunately for him, it is alleged that the DNC had already banked on Hilary Clinton being the primary winner, so their plan may have had it's legs done before they even started.
So, it is widely reported that the DNC provided very little support to Sanders for the remainder of his campaign run, while pouring big money and organising competing support behind Clinton, stacking the odds in her favour.
In this instance, history tells us that whereas a candidate may be supremely popular, they may not end up getting the support of the political party they represent.
(The above is a massive oversimplification to fit into a bite sized lemmy post, so points of discussion are expected)
The reality is very few people vote in primaries and, as you've just read in this thread, many don't even know what primaries are.
Comments like this are always from people who are ignorant, or people that aren't even in the US.
Or people who have been through more than one election cycle and have seen how far the establishment will go to tank a candidate they don't like in favor of a milquetoast conservative that will lose to a real conservative in the general.
Except in 2016, 2020, and 2024
theoretically for sure. in practice, it seems like the people make their picks, then the dnc makes sure those picks never get far.
Except for the most recent presidential election. And when they buried Sanders. And that's just what we know about.