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[–] [email protected] 139 points 4 days ago (18 children)

So do I understand correctly that on this globe you can only be against genocide of the Palestinians if you live in an authoritarian country like China, Iran, Russia, etc.?

Obviously in those countries you can't be against their own genocides like the Uhigers, Ukrainians, etc. But somehow when it comes to Israel the rest of the world seems to not dare being against genocide?

Is is because the US is so powerful that they fear reprecusions? Or why is that?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You are overlooking Ireland. They support the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

That's because they are very familiar with having a neighbor with a mindset like Israel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's because we are in the worst timeline. Evil has won in this para-dimension.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fair.

I'm hopeful that it can't get exponentially worse forever.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It can. We're living in what our children will call the "good old days" right now.

Survival alone will be brutal next decade. Millions upon millions of climate/war refugees vs the thousands of today.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Survive for fucking what. What could possibly be on the other side?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What do you want to be there?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A lack of greed would be nice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Find another way to motivate people and you can create a company with those values and have it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

None of the 2 mentioned are genocided.
And the fact you're commenting about China, Iran, Russia, etc. neing authoritarian while there's full on censorship in the west about this post is typical.

You're part of the deluded, pretentious 10% of the world calling themselves 'the international community' with 'their western values'.
Already hated for centuries of imperialism and now this total support for genocidal maniacs.
Anyone in touch with people outside of the western online community knows they will not forget this either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Agreed. Plus those are rookie numbers. Mao killed at least 40 million people on accident. Imagine what he could do if he put effort in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

you people are pathetic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for that number other than a CIA funded think-tank?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please give me the real numbers, comrade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most estimates range from 15-30 million. A smaller proportion of the population than the Irish potato famine which was caused by British mismanagement but I don't hear that talked about as a reason why capitalism is terrible much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

15-30 million

Hello yeah Mao stays winning.

I don't hear that talked about as a reason why capitalism is terrible much.

Probably because the overwhelming majority of people agree it was bad, especially here on lemmy. Find me 5 people that say the potato famine was good, actually, and I'll find you 3 entire instances that'll ban me for saying "maybe killing 15-30 million people for societal progress isn't the best strategy."

Tankies get more pushback here because nobody is singing the praises of capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah people agree the famine in China was bad too. Even Mao and other officials in China agreed there were mistakes and made changes afterwards. Are you aware China experienced devastating famines on average of once a century for the previous 2000 years before that? There hasn't been a famine since then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah people agree the famine in China was bad too.

Say that on the triad I fucking dare you.

There hasn't been a famine since then.

Under a system with significant capitalist elements, you western dog. How many billionaires are there in China?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You mean the 'tankie triad'? I'm pretty sure I learned that on hexbear. Why don't you try posting it?

They have "capitalist elements" because it's a long transition from a capitalist economic system to a communist classless society, the difference is who is directing the means of production and to what end the state is used for. And plenty of communists complain about China all the time. According to the Hurun Global Rich List China has 823 billionaires. I don't know what point you're trying to make.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

I think you'll find Western countries don't need much of an excuse to support colonial genocide.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

My biggest issue is Americans. Half of Americans support genocide, the other half want to moralize and lead the charge against it, which just comes off as hypocrisy considering i didn’t even get so much as an apology for all the bombings and invasions my country took by Americans. Now Americans are moralizing to my brown indigenous ass about colonialism and genocide and acting like once again Americans should lead this movement, which only cheapens it. Americans need to get in the back of the line and shut the fuck up. Support but leave your moralizing at home, and “I wasn't personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you wanna move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility

Edit: getting downvoted by Americans who don’t like non whites calling them out for their bullshit. Biggest terrorist nation on earth

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, I def get what you’re saying. I do. But do you really have anti-genocide Americans saying something about “Americans should lead this movement?” Because that’s an insane take I can’t imagine you’ve really run into in the wild.

The US is the worst perpetrator of colonialist violence, no doubt.

“I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you want to move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility.

What if I flipped this and said this is the exact rationale Israel is using against the population of Palestine? The population who’s been too young to have anything to do with anything Hamas has done, but they’re getting punished for it?

My point isn’t that the US has no blame. I don’t think you can actually find a US leftist who believes that. And if any US leftist is throwing blame all over the world without recognizing the history of the US? I mean, they’re beyond stupid.

My point is…why subdivide us further? The left is being repressed all over the world while fascism takes root once again. And your biggest gripe is…people who were born into a place? We should not be finding ways to take the high road over each other. Because there is a global rise of fascism while an active genocide takes place. And you’re here—if I can borrow a phrase—moralizing. To a T. You are claiming your biggest problem is with other people who agree with you, but who aren’t as pure of heart as you? You’re the real anti genocide crusader because ____?

Why. Why are we constantly using our morals and ideologies as cudgels against other people who would agree with us if we weren’t actively trying to find differences between us? We, the global working class should not be doing the work of the ruling class. And finding reasons to hate and belittle other working class people for generalized reasons beyond their control is very much doing the work for them.

So please stop. We have the most powerful tool of communication and global community at our fingertips and we’re using it to further divisions among the working class. When we could so easily harness it and mobilize a general strike that would cripple the ruling class in a matter of days. But this kind of moralizing you’re doing that is so common online (because corporations made social media and gave us an avenue to wear our ideas like patches, crippling three entire generations because we can’t see past that way of thinking) is the only thing stopping us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The left and the American left is a whole different animal. The European and Canadian left is reasonable. The American left this past election went insane and has no business telling anyone what to do. I have never had racism and bigotry thrown at me by the left until this past year. The American left has become the world police and instead of fixing the dumpster fire in their country instead want to fix everyone else

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Are you conflating the Democratic Party with the “American left?” That would be exactly where your problem lies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

A lot of the fascist-lite party describe themselves that way.
But you are right they aren't.
Real left in the US accounts for an insignificant percentage.
Sorry for that handfull of people but in general I'm with the other guy and hope that whole country goes to hell ASAP.
That would be great for the world.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The American left this past election went insane

Oh Jesus, yes.

Sending Obama to black communities to call impoverished young men misogynistic and sending Bill Clinton up north to lecture angry Palestinian Americans was astonishing in the most tone-deaf and infuriating way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those weren't the actions of the left. Those were the actions of the democratic party establishment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

True. An important distinction.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

And 99% of us vote for it every two years, because both ruling parties are warmongers.

But what gets me the most is that half of voters' opinions on war change depending on who's in power. The folks who are so anti-war right now would fully support it if Harris were in office, and that changing of opinions based on political convenience and nothing else just infuriates me. They still defend Obama's bloodied hands even though he was bombing seven different countries while in office. (That we know of)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I have the feeling Israel is a US puppet state that is being used to take control over the Middle East. (And destroy Islam while they are at it)

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