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Who in the alt left is talking about Stalin lol maybe some whackos online
Mostly the tankies on .ml
Who, you know, MIGHT be real people but probably aren’t for the most part..
I just assume any .ml account is a propaganda bot. Because even if they are real people.. they are propaganda bots.
Lemmy is far too small to bot.
lemmy.ml is just friendly to those people, so it attracts them.
lemmy.ml was built by those people, sometimes it feels for the express purpose of spreading their bullshit.
Yeah, how dare they build a space where they could express their views!
Fuck off, tankie
No
Yeah, that's plausible.
Lemmy.ml only has ~2100 monthly active users. I would guess that likely at least half of them are randos who just joined what they thought was the default instance.
That leaves about 1000 or so (likely even less) active tankies. That's not a lot of people. I'm pretty sure you could find more than that amount of tankies in pretty much every single metropolis worldwide.
If its only a thousand people, can we just ignore them then.
Currently, Lemmy only has 46 000 monthly active accounts in total, so 1 000 is quite a significant share of that. Especially considering that these 1000 are very vocal.
Remember, this is not Reddit or Facebook with billions of active users. Lemmy in its entirety is smaller than some phpbb forums used to be.
I mean, ~3500 of these monthly active accounts are from lemmynsfw.com alone, and these are most likely double accounts for people who have accounts on a non-nsfw instance. And in general it's quite likely the the amount of monthly active accounts is much larger than the number of actual monthly active users, considering that a significant portion of users will have more than one lemmy account and that there are some moderation bots and stuff like that around.
dude what the fuck
If you're not a tankie, you shouldn't be offended by, "tankies on .ml"
That instance actively and demonstrably moderates counter-opinions to tankie rhetoric, to the point where the instance is just a field of landmines for those that don't tow the line. They are a terrible, gross farse of "leftists" and deserve all the shit they catch and more.
.worlder describes .world
I was objecting to this part
Of course there are tankies on ML, though i gotta admit I rarely see them with my filters.
Plenty of hate-filled accounts on world that I block too
.ml literally has news that blessed oblast of Ukraine has denazified itself completely by genociding all ukranians under the saving arm of blessed putin.
At this point you're either a piece of shit or completely new who got tricked into the alt left pipeline if you are still on ,ml. If hanging out with nazis makes you a nazis, hanging out with palette swapped nazis makes you a palette swapped nazi.
I dont get that shit in my feeds man, maybe block the subs that are giving you grief instead of lashing out at random users
It's because it doesn't exist and they're lying
It must be so easy being right wing, you can just make up any old bullshit you like and people will believe you
They're robots, Morty, I don't respect them
Checks out.
I'm just kinda here, idk wth the rest of the instance is up to
in my experience, every tankie I came across is from .ml, not saying every .ml user is a tankie, but every tankie is a .ml user.
From someone who has gone to more than a few political protests and rallies in Boston:
Every fucking time Socialist Alternative shows up, it’s fine until some edgelord dipshit unfurls the fucking huge Soviet flag with Stalin and Mao silk screened on it. It’s like they’re trying to alienate reasonable people as well as historically-informed people. I consider myself a staunch socialist. I also outright detest Stalin and Mao because they were fucking authoritarian despots who wrapped their regimes in “communism” banners.
Sure, some of the systems at lower levels were socialistic, but at the end of the day, it was all in service to the cult of personality in charge of the whole gig. And yes, that’s what the US has devolved into (and arguably had done so quite a while ago, just not so overtly), but that doesn’t excuse Stalin or Mao, nor does it justify being an apologist for them.
You could easily say the same of Washington or Eisenhower or Churchill or DeGualle.
Hell, Lincoln got got by a guy who was literally shouting "Sic Semper Tyrantus".
The thing that sets Stalin and Mao apart from the Francos and Mussolinis and Tojos and Chang Kai-Sheks and Churchills was their break from the old line aristocracy. The thing westerners hate more than anything was their overthrow of the local monarchies.
That's why you have folks weeping big crocodile tears over Anastasia and Puyi, while they whistle past the graveyard of the countless Chinese and Russian victims of Romanov/Qing Dynasty misrule.
They also dont like sadistic mass fucking murders which is every communist regimes favorite thing.
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
From that perspective, any thoughts on Ho Chi Minh?
Of all the leaders good, bad, and, ugly over the last century, he doesn't seem to be brought up as much by propaganda machines.
Oh man, a thousand times this, fucking tankies are a pain and a ball and chain on the leg of progress.
Why is it always Mao or Stalin? Can't they at least go with folks who shed the blood of fascists like Tito or Castro? They werent particularly good either but at least they were doing the best with their dealt decks. Mind you I fucking loathe elevating folks to positions of respect unless they were my ancestors or damned well earned it via death and glory.
I'm not super familiar with Socialist Alternative, but aren't they a Trotskyist org? What are they doing waving Stalin flags?
The only person I've encountered waving Stalin flag at a protest said they were a Maoist when I asked
Stalin took the Russian state from an agricultural backwater to a Space Age superpower in a matter of twenty years.
If he'd started out a Virginia plantation owner instead of a Georgian bank robber, capitalists would have loved him. He'd be bigger than Churchill.
American liberals love (the whitewashed version of) FDR because they see the quasi-socialism of the mid-20th century as the morally correct path. Eastern Europeans - who came through two world wars and repeated genocides on every front - have a lot more of an appetite for Iron Fisted Dictator[Communist] after enduring generations of Iron Fisted Dictator[Monarchist]
But the way in which he did it was very costly. Stalin is comparable to Musk in that sense. In love with technology and factories, but too focussed on advancement no matter the human cost. Everything was about efficiency.
Christ. Musk is, if anything, more comparable to Henry Ford.
Billionaire car magnet with whole municipal governments in his pocket who wrecked public transit and spread antisemitism all over Europe? That's not the editor and chief at Pravda.
If you were to put Stalin anywhere in contemporary US politics, I'd say he's comparable to Shyam Sankar - the Palantir CTO who was recently granted the rank of Lt. Colonel in the US military. Or, perhaps, just straight up comparing him to Peter Thiel minus all the buggery.
Silicon Valley has swarms of these guys. Most of them aren't constantly pissing themselves from too much Ketamine.
If he hadn't been, would the USSR survived? That focus on technology, factories, and efficiency, no matter the cost, seems like the right approach when there's Nazis at your doorstep, conquering all of Europe and conducting mass exterminations.
Nothing says "preparing for war against the Nazis and capitalists" like murdering your entire officer corps of true believers that won the Revolution that you didn't actually fight in
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
Die mad about reality.
I probably will, reality is extremely fucked up in entirely fixable ways but there's no indication they'll be fixed in my lifetime because they're all profitable for someone, if you're not mad you're either stupid or evil
Ussr survived thanks to allied aid and got to go on conquering all of europe and conducting mass extermination while putting other mass murderers in power who went on to cause some of the largest and most sadisic mass murders.
When did the USSR conduct "mass exterminations?"
The largest and most sadistic mass murders were by the Nazis, obviously. Are you trying to downplay the Holocaust?
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo