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The Senate has passed a bill making Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) the U.S.'s largest interior law enforcement agency with funding for Donald Trump's immigration enforcement agenda higher than most of the world's militaries, including Israel's.

Pending its passage in the House of Representatives, Trump's bill could mean a massive increase in ICE funding as part of an immigration enforcement agenda worth $150 billion over four years.

This figure is more than the annual military budget of Italy, which at $30.8 billion, is the world's 16th highest defense spender for this year according to tracker Global Fire Power.

It is also higher than military spending for Israel, ($30 billion), the Netherlands ($27 billion) and Brazil ($26.1 billion).

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 day ago (8 children)

We should quit paying our taxes

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Leave the US. If you have expertise you'll be easily welcomed into most countries, if not, there is are a lot of countries you can still move to that are not police states. Either way you'll stop paying/supporting and supporting US fascism with your work. The immigrants your government is so eager to deport have been through worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The US is a bit special. It is the only state to require its citizens pay taxes to it on (regular) earnings abroad. Other places only tax earnings made inside their own borders.

So to truly be off the hook for American taxes as a non-elite, you'll have to renounce your citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Don't leave. It solves nothing and allows growth of tyranny. Fight back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Tyranny has taken over - staying is a choice to live in fascism. Fascism does not die from within, it does a slow death from being excommunicated from the world or it dies a quick death as the world responds to it's expansionist tendencies. It does not die because people stop voting for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I am not speaking about voting. I am speaking about revolution. Americans wouldn't understand that I suppose. They certainly don't seem to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t leave. It solves nothing

It keeps you alive. Just ask all those Europeans who fled the bloodbath of the world wars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It ensures others fight your battles for you when it takes you standing up first to ensure others help.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

An easy thing to say if you've never been shot at

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I have been shot at thank you very much. For just doing my job trying to help people. A good chunk of Americans certainly have been shot at with feeding the war machine for decades and having one of the highest mass murder and gun ownership rates in the world.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The US is an odd duck when it comes to taxes

The USA is one of the few countries of the world which levies personal income tax on all its citizens: not only on its residents - citizens or non-citizens - but also on its citizens who do not live in the country. All citizens of the United States are taxed under the same personal income tax system, regardless of whether they live in the country or abroad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

This is true but you’re only taxed by the US if the country in which you live isn’t taxing you higher already. So if you move to a gulf Arab state with no income tax yes. But most places in Europe? You won’t have to pay US tax since domestic tax will be higher.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

You only have to pay them if you move back to the US (and want to work). It's not like other governments disclose your finances to the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

You only have to pay them if you move back to the US

Specifically if you're a contractor simply working abroad. If you don't actually reside in the US and you earn foreign income /pay taxes for a year, you're not going to owe anything.

That said, if you travel overseas for three months on contract, earn a ton of money, and come home to spend it, you have to report that in the US minus taxes payed abroad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Absolutely not true. If you want anything to do with US banking, social security, Embassy services, you better pay up. And every bank you open abroad is literally required to disclose to the IRS that you have a bank account with them. Source: I live abroad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

The idea being put forward is leaving the US and never returning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

For more info…the legal requirement is part of FATCA

The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which was passed as part of the HIRE Act, generally requires that foreign financial Institutions and certain other non-financial foreign entities report on the foreign assets held by their U.S. account holders or be subject to withholding on withholdable payments.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Until you acquire a new citizenship and renounce your US citizenship, the US government affects everything you do, regardless of where you are. Just leaving with no intention of returning does nothing. Source: me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

That anyone would want to be part of a regime that oppressive and call it freedom is insane, to put it lightly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

As if any cops would even attempt to stop them instead of joining in. Calling the police is just giving them backup.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

No, but there will be a war front that you can position yourself on the not-scum side of.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would have been gone years ago I just don’t really have the means to leave

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People with far fewer resources than some of the poorest Americans make treks across continents. I'm sure most Americans could figure it out if they really wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Sure. We'll just start walking from the American continents to... Well, fuck

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

All right well I’m not going to do this back and forth about it with you. You know nothing about me or my situation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

You are right. My comments shouldn't be taken as precise advise for specific situations, but I stand by the generalities. I'm general though, if a family with less than a grade 5 education can make a cross-continent trek in hopes of a better life, most US citizens are well positioned to immigrate elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You know literally nothing about immigration, do you?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

I left earlier this year. I'm a tan skinned Latina trans woman immigrant, basically their #1 target. I'm still absolutely terrified for my friends and family.

I truly hate that I'm still chained to the US via my citizenship. A part of me hopes they denaturalize me so I don't have to pay them shit.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are too few places to escape to in modern society, given the rise of authoritarian globally. I was planning on Germany until the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Now I find it more prudent to stay in the U.S. and relocate to a low population area. For the handful of dense urban environments in the U.S. there are far more wide open spaces with no people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Head in the sand is always an option, until it's not.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s all relative. It’d be just as easy to argue the head in the sand argument at an American who thinks they’re just gonna pack up to a random city in Europe and avoid the consequences of what’s happening globally. I understand we’re all just trying to feel like we have agency over our own lives and don’t exist at the whim of a handful of billionaires, so to each their own.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Too late for that now..they'll just take all your money, house, claim you're not a citizen, force you to work for 1/256th of that you earn now and keep the bribe from companies that bought you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well either choice leads to imprisonment of some type so I’ll go out blasting rather than perpetuate it

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

The government can just print money, they don't actually strictly need your taxes (see MMT). The only actual path is withholding labour and mass protests (with at least a credible threat of violent escalations).

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