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Turn off the news, talk to your neighbor, things aren't perfect, but we are far from gestapo.
What else would you call masked and unidentified officers abducting people with no warrant and sending them to concentration camps? I'm no historical scholar, but that seems an awful lot like gestapo to my eye.
How are you supposed to get a warrant for a person you can't even prove is who they say they are?
And I'm pretty sure the gestapo had uniforms.
Further, if someone is actively avoiding law enforcement, wouldn't you think it would make sense to not look like law enforcement?
Also, where are you supposed to send a criminal that is awaiting deportation?
I understand it doesn't feel good, but I know plenty of people that followed the process, and obtained citizenship legally, and you are all saying "fuck that, let's have criminals do whatever they want" because it doesn't feel good.
By your logic, you would speed down the road in your car, and when you got caught, it's not fair because the cop was in an unmarked car, and wasn't specifically looking for you.
Or just maybe you made the choice to speed, so you have to pay the consequences if you get caught?
The usual way. It's not hard.
Yes, much better to just look like anonymous armed kidnappers. The downside is that actual anonymous armed kidnappers can pretend to be undercover ICE agents, which has already happened multiple times.
A regular jail, where they have access to a lawyer and the other protections of due process enshrined in our most fundamental laws.
That might have a shred of validity if they weren't also kidnapping people who were following the legal process and attending their immigration hearings. Not to mention kidnapping actual citizens. And you all are saying "Fuck that, if your skin is brown you're going down."
No one is saying for criminals to do whatever they want. We just want you lot to acknowledge that the law of the land ensures due process to everyone, not just citizens.
These people aren't being arrested mid-crime, they're kidnapping them from their homes, off the street, at their jobs, and again, at their legal immigration hearings. And there are multiple accounts of mistaken identity, or no specific target at all. Your analogy isn't applicable.
It's much more like a man in street clothes and an unmarked car who refuses to identify themselves, kidnapping me at gunpoint as I get into my car because it's a yellow sports car and yellow sports cars are statistically more likely to speed. Yeah, that's not fair.
And when you make the choice of wiping your ass with the 14th amendment, you have to pay the consequence of real patriots calling you a fascist bootlicker.
Oh do explain, since it's so easy.
But I thought America's prison system was broken too?
Finally you say something we can all agree upon.
Because you don't want it to be... Sure it isn't applicable to every single situation, but I'd be willing to guess it applies to a majority.
Isn't being in a country when you're not supposed to be "mid-crime"?
And as much as you clearly want it to be "kidnapping", it's not. It's called "unlawful arrest" or "wrongful arrest", and a quick Google search shows these people are about to get a large settlement.
Again, it's not perfect, but nothing is. All I can hope is that the actual victims are compensated handsomely.
I'm not going to explain the intricacies of the criminal justice system to someone who clearly doesn't understand the most basic concept of due process. It's also irrelevant; you don't get to ignore the Constitution because respecting people's inalienable rights is inconvenient.
It certainly is, but that's a separate issue. Also, how much of a psychopath do you have to be to say "The prison system has flaws, therefore we should just abandon it and throw people in internment camps". That's fascist talk.
Clearly not since you're proudly advocating against due process as guaranteed by the Constitution.
What I want has nothing to do with it, it's inapplicable by the facts of the situation. It would be applicable to uniformed border patrol agents catching migrants in the process of crossing the border, or a uniformed police officer arresting an illegal migrant in the process some other crime. But these officers are not uniformed, and the fact that multiple legal migrants and US citizens have been rounded up proves that they don't even have probable cause.
No. Entering the country illegally is a crime, residing in it afterwards is a civil offense.
Nothing is perfect, but this isn't even good. It's flagrant disregard for the Constitution. Again, you don't get to discard the Constitution because it makes your job harder.
The Constitution is very clear. Doesn't matter how they got here, every person in the jurisdiction of American law is guaranteed due process.
Maybe you should read the news, and stop getting all your information from your WASP neighbors in Bumblefuck, USA.
At least your username is accurate