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So biodiversity is wholly incompatible with running a profitable farm?
Absolutely not.
There are plenty of ways to encourage biodiversity in agriculture other then what this meme shows.
It used to be, for example, that big fields like this would be harvested by machines but surrounded by hedgerows, which were left uncultivated, serving as wind breaks and as habitat for many beneficial insects and animals.
That's not possible in modern industrial agriculture, because Roundup and other herbicides and pesticides are too toxic - for corn or soybeans, for instance, they plant varieties immune to glyphosate and then dump so much glyphosate on the fields that everything else dies..
But organic farming techniques that don't soak the soil in poisons can easily leave uncultivated space for the bugs and the birds - and even benefit from it, by, for example, planting native flowers that attract pollinators to the crops, or plants that provide habitat for insect predators that eat the bugs that would eat the crops. Or so on or so forth.
That being said, I think it's likely the farm in this meme wouldn't be profitable given current food prices.
But food in the United States is as cheap as it is because industrial agriculture (ie the poison spraying folks) is heavily subsidized by the US government and fueled by deliveries of oil and fertilizer and chemicals from a vast global supply chain.
And it's not impossible that will change.
Well, the thing is, if you've got a whole bunch of biodiversity and you cut down a small patch in the middle of it, where you grow your monoculture and use your big machines and whatnot, that's when this fuck-biodiversity approach is rather profitable.
But if you scale that up, if a whole bunch of farmers kill biodiversity in the same region, this will obliterate profitability. You need biodiversity for:
I'm probably forgetting more aspects, and we probably don't yet know all aspects either. But ultimately, plants have evolved to exist in rich biodiversity. It isn't just some moral thing to do, to keep that intact. Plants will falter without biodiversity, no matter how much fertilizer and pesticide you pour onto them.
It's agriculture, there's always profit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brandt_(farmer)
And there’s where I stopped reading. Farming is not an easy business to make money at. How is anyone going to pay for the cost of hand harvesting rye grass?
yep absolutely no hand-harvested crops, just unheard of, nobody makes any money farming those
High value crops like fruit, sure.
Cheap grain crops, you’re outta your mind.
This depends on to many factors to be universally true. Farming is so incredibly complex, that you can not make such a general statement. If you produce high profit crops for niece markets its much easier to make a profit. However, the whole conventional meat and milk industry is usually running at a loss (at least it has been since about 1-2 years ago where prices skyrocketed and still rise). It also vastly depends on where you are, what machines do you use, what's the quality of your soil etc.
No one goes into farming, because its easy cash. Farming is only easy cach when you are experienced and grow to massive sizes. All the small to medium scale farms are usually barely profitable or are running at a loss due to low prices (the price that the farmer receives for the product).